Educate me on recruiting.

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- 12/29/2017 at 10:53 PM #52529
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  EagleMountainUte
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  @battlegroundute
  
  Why can teams offer more than their allotment and basically breach a contract in a sense with kids? I think you should get sanctioned if you plan on cutting kids who already hold a schollie essentiall trying to string loads of players on. They should be given an allotment that is audited by the NCAA and they can then send these offers to kids. Just my opinion.
- 12/29/2017 at 10:57 PM #52530
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  Utah
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  @utah
  
  I agree. The scholarships are year to year. So, a player can be cut at any time. That is why Utah has players “medically” retire every year. They aren’t good enough to play, but if they retire due to a medical reason, they get to keep their scholarship but it doesn’t count against the 85 limit.
  
  I think you are talking about USC right now. It looks like USC will be waaaay over their allotted 85 scholarships. They will have to “cut” 5-10 players after Feb 2.
  
  What will happen is that you will see a bunch of kids announce that they are transferring or retiring. Let’s hope that some of the Utah kids get cut. Then, we can use that when recruiting against USC. One more reason for these kids to stay home.
  - 12/29/2017 at 11:03 PM #52531
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    EagleMountainUte
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    @battlegroundute
    
    I just feel like P5 teams need to be semi pro lets remove any illusion that these kids are student athletes anymore. Pay them for their service and lets start getting the best product on the field.
  - 12/29/2017 at 11:09 PM #52532
    
    Stone
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    @stone
    
    I agree with your sentiment, but your first paragraph indicates Utah does the same thing as USC, so not sure how Utah could use that as a tool to recruit local kids over USC.
    - 12/29/2017 at 11:33 PM #52534
      
      EagleMountainUte
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      @battlegroundute
      
      What he is saying is the local products that leave they can say look you will get cut because USC over recruits by a ridiculous amount. It really is a ridiculous amount that they are over.
      - 12/30/2017 at 12:13 AM #52535
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        Utah
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        @utah
        
        Aren’t they six players over and still recruiting hard? Crazy.
      - 12/30/2017 at 2:34 AM #52543
        
        Stone
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        @stone
        
        Right, but @Utah suggests that the Utes cut players for that simply are not good enough to play, but use “medical reasons” as the justification. Certainly the Utes recruit players to fill those spots in advance, knowing which players will medically retire.
        
        Similarly, it sounds like USC is heavily over recruiting their open slots, with the implication that players already on the team will be forced to “retire.”
        
        The practice may be more prevalent at USC than Utah, I have no idea how often it happens at either school, but if Utah is playing that game too, it would seem hard to hurl accusations at USC.
  - 12/30/2017 at 10:41 AM #52555
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    iamthepreacher
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    I think you’re way over simplifying things. In many cases, probably most cases, if a player medically retires he actually is closing the chapter on playing football for good reasons. It’s a physically taxing game, so it’s understandable for a player to retire. If they wanted to keep playing the game (on scholarship, no less), they would just transfer to another program. They could transfer to an FCS school and play right away. Since that doesn’t happen with medical retirees, it’s safe to say there are genuine reasons why they are stepping away from the game. Sorry, but I couldn’t let this discussion continue with a huge logical fallacy like this not pointed out.
- 12/30/2017 at 12:28 AM #52536
  
  noneyadb
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  @noneyadb
  
  Wonder if they’ll allow those that used their red-shirt this season to transfer without having to sit out another year.
  - 12/30/2017 at 12:47 AM #52537
    
    Utah
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    @utah
    
    Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
    
    I doubt it. Just like how Kalani always releases players…unless it’s his.
    - 12/30/2017 at 12:58 AM #52539
      
      EagleMountainUte
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      @battlegroundute
      
      These coaches are such snakes.
      - 12/30/2017 at 9:07 AM #52550
        
        Utah
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        @utah
        
        It’s sad but true. All coaches do it. Even Kyle.
        
        BUT, to be fair to the coaches, if they didn’t do it, we scream for their heads to be fired.
        
        If I was making 3 million a year and cutting some kids (or medically retiring them) gave me a better chance to do that, I’d cut them in a heartbeat.
    - 12/30/2017 at 10:20 AM #52554
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      noneyadb
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      @noneyadb
      
      Your comparing Kalani to Helton? Fail…
      
      There’sa difference between a coach with limited recruits allowing his best players to transfer and a coach allowing a red shirt 3* kid to transfer with 4 and 5* players fighting for the same position.
      
      Shaw just allowed Lund to transfer, praised and wished him the best of luck…
      - 12/30/2017 at 12:01 PM #52557
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        EagleMountainUte
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        @battlegroundute
        
        I think he is comparing the behaviors. Sitake is an outright hypocrit bitching about USU not allowing a player to transfer post mission then doing the same thing when it is your own.
        
        Can’t really blame Sitake though polishing the brass on a sinking ship is hard.