The computers now favor us to win the Pac12


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    • #79099
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      gothamute
      Ute Fan
      @gothamute

      For the first time, both ESPN’s FPI and 538’s favor us to win the P12 Championship Game:

      http://www.espn.com/college-football/statistics/teamratings

      https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-college-football-predictions/?ex_cid=rrpromo

      Interestingly, in FPI’s case we are favored over either UW/Wazzu, but 538 favors us only over Wazzu (but expects Wazzu to beat UW to set up Utah-Wazzu matchup). 

    • #79102
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      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Yes, but what do the Underworld Referee Association and the Conference Office Syndicate have to say about it. 

      The refs should all be wearing mouse ears. 

    • #79105
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      User Suspended
      Member
      @a2ute

      I’d like to better understand the math that makes up this prediction. My guess the  spike is due to the fact that Utah has completed it’s PAC12 schedule and others still have one more game to play.

      • #79107
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        EagleMountainUte
        Ute Fan
        @battlegroundute

        The drop off from Huntley/Moss to Shelley/Shyne/Green has not been significant. TT is knocking it out of the park. 

      • #79120
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        gothamute
        Ute Fan
        @gothamute

        Short answer is that ESPN’s FPI model is updated with data from each game once it happens, which impacts their baseline assessments of each team’s relative ranking on Offense, Defense and Special Teams (which in combination informs the overall team FPI). Then they run enough simulations of each remaining game to produce statistically significant resutlts and create their predictions. (538 actually uses FPI for 75% of their model, while the Playoff Committee’s CFP [or AP if CFP not yet released] rankings make up the other 25%)

        So it actually doesn’t have to do with who has conference games left (the model now knows that only we can win the South and that only UW/Wazzu can win the North, so the championship game iterations only consider two matchup possibilities)… what it means is that the net effect of our performance against Colorado (combined with the net effect of everyone else’s performances) exceeded our previous relative baselines enough to swing the projections of the remaining games in the new simulations (that are based on the updated baselines). For what it’s worth, last week FPI favored us over Wazzu in P12Champ scenario but not against UW. So our performance against Colorado was, on a relative basis, enough to “change” the model’s mind about our chances head to head with UW.

        ESPN on how FPI works:

        “The Football Power Index (FPI) is a measure of team strength that is meant to be the best predictor of a team’s performance going forward for the rest of the season. FPI represents how many points above or below average a team is. Projected results are based on 10,000 simulations of the rest of the season using FPI, results to date, and the remaining schedule. Ratings and projections update daily.”

        538 on how their models work:

        “Games are simulated mostly using ESPN’s Football Power Index. We say “mostly” because we’ve also found that giving a little weight to the playoff committee’s weekly rankings of the top 25 teams helps add to the predictions’ accuracy. (We use the Associated Press Top 25 poll as a proxy for the committee’s rankings until the first set of rankings is released in the second half of the season.) Specifically, the model’s game-by-game forecasts are based on a combination of FPI ratings and committee (or AP) rankings — 75 percent on FPI and 25 percent on the rankings.”

        For math types so inclined, the detailed 538 explanation can be found here:

        https://fivethirtyeight.com/methodology/how-our-college-football-playoff-predictions-work/

    • #79106

      SkinyUte
      Ute Fan
      @skinyute

      Interestingly, I got an ESPN Bowl Predictions alert on my phone about an hour ago which said “Rose Bowl is all but a lock”…and it listed Wazzu playing Ohio State.

      Not so fast, my friend…

      • #79110

        EagleMountainUte
        Ute Fan
        @battlegroundute

        Opinions vs computers. 

        • #79127

          gothamute
          Ute Fan
          @gothamute

          Yep. The writers say Wazzu. The computers say us.

      • #79192

        Hellhound152
        Ute Fan
        @hellhound152

        Well one of those writers is WSU alum and certified Ute hater Kyle “bong water” Bonagura so I will take it with a grain of salt.  Still have no clue how in the blue hell he survived the ax when ESPN scaled back college football coverage a few years back.

        • #79228

          gothamute
          Ute Fan
          @gothamute

          He must have been paid a ton less than Chantel or Ted… love reading Chantel on the Athletic now, bummed Ted hung it up

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