Whittingham is insulting his supporters – I'm one of them


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    • #7311

      Ute Bc
      Ute Fan
      @utebc

      I understand the policy of not talking about contracts and coaching vacancies – but there is one exception that needs to be made.  Under no circumstance should he be allowed to use that crap school down south as a negotiating chip.  It is insulting.

      It he want’s us to believe that a little independent is driving up his cost, I say let him go.  If he would even consider making that move – we have the wrong guy.

      I am a big Whitt supporter.  However, he needs to wise up when it comes to this particular school.  He’s insulting a lot of boosters right now, by not saying something very simple:  “I have been contacted by schools and I don’t comment on that, one school that is out of the question for me is that team in Provo”.

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    • #7314

      Brettski
      Ute Fan
      @brettski

      Hear Hear!

    • #7315

      Tony
      Admin/Founder
      @admin

      Ok what did I miss @utebc ???

    • #7316

      Ute Bc
      Ute Fan
      @utebc

      You haven’t missed anything @tony I just find it poor form and unusual for a coach of the University of Utah to allow an in-state G(5) school make it look like he’s considering leaving us. It hurts our perception with recruits and is insulting to those paying his salary. He can not comment on any other job, but when he picked Utah – that means he’s done with BYU. The fact that he won’t shut down the talk is insulting and I would say unusual amongst in -state schools.

      • #7320

        javadave
        Ute Fan
        @javadave

        The whole debacle with CH earlier this year really soured my opinion of Whitt and his negotiating tactics.

    • #7321

      KiYi-Ute
      Ute Fan
      @kiyi-ute

      Whitt has never been open about this sort of thing; and we all know he doesn’t like talking to the media much, period. He could also be quiet on the situation while he’s negotiating for his staff as well.

      A lot goes on during contract talks, we don’t know what goes on behind those doors — and I don’t think that it’s fair, or healthy to speculate.

      Edit: Also, he hasn’t done anything to make it look like he’d be considering BYU either — that’s just what fans on both sides like to talk about. There’s been nothing credible. All he should be focused on right now is Vegas.

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    • #7326

      Ute Bc
      Ute Fan
      @utebc

      Sorry – that’s a cop out. Ronnie Mac and Urban would never allow this speculation to continue – not with that school. We are a PAC 12 school competing for recruits and our coach is not ruling out going to work at a G5 school that happens to be our rival.

      Whitt is biting the hand that feeds him.

    • #7330

      Tony
      Admin/Founder
      @admin

      Well, Urban said he wasn’t going anywhere then the Notre Dame private jet landed at the airport a couple of hours later…

    • #7331

      Ute Bc
      Ute Fan
      @utebc

      Again. I applaud him talking to other schools – that school should be off limits. I would not blame Whitt for going to Notre Dame – but to use that school and put them on an even playing field is offensive. The only offense he’s displayed this year.

    • #7333

      Anonymous
      Inactive

      So it’s up to Whitt to stop fans from speculating on the Internet. Too Funny.

    • #7334

      Ute Bc
      Ute Fan
      @utebc

      Let’s not make it harder than it is. One school – “not interested”. That’s it. Not hard. By the way – it happens all the time.

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    • #7336

      Anonymous
      Inactive

      This is a bit of an over reaction I think @utebc. While I agree with you as a fan of the school but Whitt is not a fan of the U. He is an employee of the university, his bread and butter is coaching. I think his loyalties extend to what is in his contract.

      Just trying to be objective about it but that is a fact. As far as Provo is concerned you could pretty much argue that courting Whitt is a way to create instability to win recruits. Just how U$C courted Whitt for awhile it created disharmony in the program. Whitt is a MASSIVE staple at the U right now. Basically this is his program and when he does leave it will be devastating.

      It is bad form for Hill to let negotiations last this long. Whitt should retire a Ute so far as he doesn’t drive the program into the ditch. (Although I am starting to believe Utah may be lucky to win 4 games next season)

    • #7338

      Ute Bc
      Ute Fan
      @utebc

      Couldn’t disagree more @BeehiveUte

      1) It is not Hill who is stopping him from signing the extension. It is Whitt negotiating. Hill has said they are on the same page. Whitt has played his same selfish bulls**t games.

      2). We will be fine if Whitt leaves just like other programs who lose their coach. Hill hired Mac, Urban and Whitt I’m not concerned about finding a replacement.

      3) Whitt is an employee. His shenanigans last year and this year are damaging the program. By not squashing this Provo BS he is hurting the reputation of the school, embarrassing its donors and negatively impacting OUR program (not his).

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    • #7340

      Anonymous
      Inactive

      I don’t think Whitt is behind the rumors and this contract negotiations to me means it will be Whitts final one. I think he is smart getting the best money. Hill should do whatever he asks within some limits.

      Whitt has been a major force in this program for 20 years. To use a local comparison it will be like post Lavell. Utah could easily hire a crowton.

    • #7342

      FormerUteSax
      Ute Fan
      @formerutesax

      I too feel like this is an over reaction. I listened to a his 12 minute radio interview last night on ESPN700 and he talked a lot about the Veg but didn’t mention byu-p once. I don’t feel disrespected that he hasn’t said he won’t take that job, I think he’s just focused on the job at hand. I’ve always felt that Whit makes it all about the team and the players, I don’t think he wants to or needs to talk about himself or his situation. Maybe something changes after the season, maybe it doesn’t who knows.

    • #7353

      rbmw263
      Ute Fan
      @rbmw263

      What has Whitt done to make it look like hes considering the job?

      • #7357

        FormerUteSax
        Ute Fan
        @formerutesax

        That would be my question too.

      • #7359

        Anonymous
        Inactive

        He hasn’t said he isn’t considering the job. That’s what he has done. President Obama hasn’t said he won’t defect to Canada while in office. He’s a traitor and a bad guy too.

      • #7374

        Anonymous
        Inactive

        According to local media and boosters he hasn’t denied being interested. That is damning evidence if I have ever heard any.

        It’s almost like guilt by association.

        • #7440

          rbmw263
          Ute Fan
          @rbmw263

          self serving local media gonna self serve

    • #7371

      Ute Bc
      Ute Fan
      @utebc

      It’s very easy to take your name out of contention when the speculation is hurting your current employer and its’ prospects for the future. I explained myself above, I think Provo is the one exception. I find it insulting he has not said he will not take that job. If you are at the U this is the one job you do not use as negotiation against the U. It is quite easy to make this go away and not lose any focus – he is choosing not to do that.

      Others can disagree and that is fine. I am telling you that he has eroding support for his handling of this.

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      • #7373

        Anonymous
        Inactive

        I think Whitt has weaknesses for sure. One of those is obviously the offensive side of the ball. The other is handling the media. The media caters to the BYU side of things. Whitt does nothing to handle it because my estimation of the man is why bother with something you have no control over? Monson is going to say the things he wants to say regardless of what Whitt says.

        Also any recruit that is dumb enough to think BYU is a better spot for them is delusional. BYU has been on a downward to decline for a long time as a program. Hiring the Navy guy will make it ten times worst.

    • #7377

      Anonymous
      Inactive

      “According to local media and boosters he hasn’t denied being interested. That is damning evidence if I have ever heard any.”

      “It’s almost like guilt by association.”

      This is too funny. You’ve basically confirmed that you’re amongst those speculating. Whitt doesn’t owe anyone an explanation on his private employment discussions. You claim that his silence is damning evidence. That is pure speculation. For all we know, there could no discussions going on. Get a life, it’s none of your business.

      • #7381

        Anonymous
        Inactive

        I am actually being sarcastic. But yes the fact that he isn’t saying anything is ridiculous. Considering he was out of town when Roscoe resigned the speculation on him wanting the job is even more ridiculous.

    • #7379

      oc_ute
      Ute Fan
      @ocute

      if i’m trying to get a raise, i don’t care if my employer thinks my next job is at 7-11, the gas station or the white house. he may be irking you but if you’re in his shoes personally, you keep everything on the table that benefits you personally. he’s certainly not overpaid IMO. the last thing he wants CH to know is that he’s not leaving nowhere/nohow. i believe that’s his personal choice to stay at Utah but he wants to have all potential cards on the table for the next payday negotiations. just what any of us would do.

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    • #7382

      Dhisatake
      Ute Fan
      @dhisatake

      Why should he respond to questions about the BYU job any differently than any other job? Why should he care what you or any other booster thinks he should do with regards to BYU?

      If you don’t listen to any other offers you are a fool. And if you want to compare him to Urban, he said he wasn’t going anywhere and then packed up and left.

      And why wouldn’t he at least listen to BYU, it’s his alma mater for crying out loud.

      • #7383

        Anonymous
        Inactive

        ^ this Dhisatake has the reputation of being one of the all-time great Pollyannas on Utefans.net.

    • #7384

      Ute Bc
      Ute Fan
      @utebc

      I respectfully disagree with you guys on this issue. Especially the argument that this is “none of my business” – it is all of our business. Maybe even more so mine since I am a booster.

      Nonetheless, let me ask you guys this: How many of you believe that Woody Hayes or Bo Schembechler would have listened to offers from their cross town rival? It would not have ever happened. It shouldn’t be happening here. I’m not asking Whitt to give away all his chips – just one of them. He made his choice years ago to be a Utah head coach. Playing rivals against each other….shows how much he cares about the U.

      Maybe that one chip is all he has – concerning…

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      • #7386

        Anonymous
        Inactive

        Ute Bc, before you go on about how your opinion matters more than anyone else’s due to you being a booster, why don’t you go ahead and state specifically how much money you have donated. Give us a number. Until you’ve done that, I couldn’t care less about whether you’re a ‘booster’ or not. I bet I s**t more money out my ass buying tickets, merchandise, and parking passes than you’ve donated boosting.

      • #7476

        GadValleyUte
        Ute Fan
        @maximumkungfu

        Bo worked for Woody at OSU before he went Michigan. He also played for him. It’s not such an incredible concept.

    • #7387

      Ute Bc
      Ute Fan
      @utebc

      Never said that Moose. Said that boosters opinions matter – pretty easy concept. The amount I have given is significant and in the form of donations. The amount is none of your business, but if you spend more on tix and merchandise I would be VERY impressed. I’m not looking for accolades nor do I care what you think of my donations – and I don’t get into petty internet squabbles.

      • #7388

        Anonymous
        Inactive

        If you make it an issue that you’re a booster, then you better let us know exactly what kind of money we’re talking about. The amount is my business, you made it my business when you mentioned you were a booster. If you don’t want to say how big of a booster you are, don’t mention it.

      • #7415

        leftyjace
        Ute Fan
        @leftyjace

        You can’t have it both ways. Either you mentioned it to carry weight so people would care, or you don’t care. Why even bring it up unless you wanted your words to carry more “weight”?

        Whether I agree with you or not, this is me calling you out for your BS.

        • #7416

          Ute Bc
          Ute Fan
          @utebc

          @leftyjace If you read the thread I mentioned it because I was told his contract was “none of my business”. I think as boosters it is our business. I think as boosters we have more weight than someone who is not a booster. For instance, boosters get more tickets to the bowl. Can’t believe this is news to everyone?

          I don’t need my ego fed, yet alone on a message board. Just stating facts. Do tell me – what is my BS? You don’t think I’m a booster?

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          • #7420

            leftyjace
            Ute Fan
            @leftyjace

            I believe you’re a booster.
            If you were divulging that you’re a booster to demonstrate that you have some sort of “insider information”, OK. Great.
            But if you’re divulging that you’re a booster because you feel like your opinion should have more weight, than that means…. you’re divulging you’re a booster because you feel like your opinion should have more weight.
            Which means, inherently, that you DO care if someone knows you’re a booster.

            • #7421

              Ute Bc
              Ute Fan
              @utebc

              @leftyjace Yes. I guess I have said it 3 times. I do believe that boosters opinions carry more weight. Surprised that you don’t agree.

              Don’t see where I said there was “insider information”. Again, just stating facts. So still confused about the BS I am being “called out on”.

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              • #7423

                leftyjace
                Ute Fan
                @leftyjace

                Again, I’m not addressing whether I agree with you or not.
                I’m calling BS when you said that you don’t care whether people know if you’re a booster. 🙂
                That’s all.

                • #7426

                  Ute Bc
                  Ute Fan
                  @utebc

                  Ok, but I didn’t say that. Anyway, I will now and we can agree!

    • #7389

      Ute Bc
      Ute Fan
      @utebc

      Would Woody Hayes or Bo Schembechler have done what Whitt has to their respective schools or not?

    • #7390

      Puget Ute
      Ute Fan
      @pugetute

      Byu won’t get a coach with successful HC experience at the P5 level. They aren’t interested in that level of talent.

      They will hire Sitake.

      • #7391

        Ute Bc
        Ute Fan
        @utebc

        Don’t doubt that. Still doesn’t change what I think about Whitts handling of this.

    • #7425

      leftyjace
      Ute Fan
      @leftyjace

      For the record, I see both sides of the story. BC has good points, but I also can understand from a negotiation tactics standpoint that Kyle needs to keep and use all of his cards. (I learned that in my MBA coursework at our beloved school! 🙂 )

      I don’t know what I would do if I were him.

      • #7427

        Anonymous
        Inactive

        Wells up at USU is a good example of striking when you are hot. This is life changing money and I know what exactly everyone would do on this board if it came down to a million or so dollars in your pocket. You wouldn’t give two s**ts about boosters, fans or the school that employs and you would do anything to get paid.

        I will say this very clearly Whitt’s loyalties are only as deep as his contract.

    • #7428

      Ute Bc
      Ute Fan
      @utebc

      Ok @BeehiveUte. I’m telling you that some coaches would not do it with a cross town rival. And, I agree – Whitt does not give a damn what boosters or fans think – that is his problem. That is why his “friends” leave his staff. The “life changing money” has already been paid by the U. He has more on the table.

      Finally, that is why his support among boosters is eroding. I, for one, would give him a contract to sign today and a statement saying he is not interested in the BYU job – or fire him.

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      • #7430

        Anonymous
        Inactive

        Just refer to the Matt Wells example. Last season Wells was a hero. Now they want to give him one more season. I know several “boosters” who wanted Whitt out and 2012 and 2013 they really wanted to get their way.

        I honestly don’t blame coaches for not caring and I think Whitt has earned it to not care what you think. We seem to want to chase out the best coach in Utah’s history ever. I don’t get that. It is the dumbest thing in the world considering the overall history of Utah’s football program. Whitt should retire a Ute and he is doing what he can to make that happen at a reasonable rate considering his offers.

        Whitt is a HUGE thing for Utah football it will not be easily replaced as many think. It is actually pretty stupid considering Hill’s hiring history. @utebc

        • #7431

          Ute Bc
          Ute Fan
          @utebc

          Matt Wells is not a good example. He was not a P5 coach and he isn’t using his cross town rival to hurt his current employer.

          EDIT: I also don’t agree he (Whitt) is the best coach in Utah history – but I suppose that depends how you measure that.

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          • #7434

            Anonymous
            Inactive

            The example is for the loyalties of boosters and fans not the programs.

            Edit: The measurement is always this: Has any other Utah coach accomplished anything close to Coach Whittingham? That answer is no. @utebc The man has been a part of and a huge contributor to the success of the program for 20 years. You can’t just hire someone to fill those shoes easily.

    • #7436

      Ute Bc
      Ute Fan
      @utebc

      Ok @BeehiveUte , but, let me ask you this: If you could hire Whittingham or Meyer tomorrow, who would you hire?

      • #7437

        Anonymous
        Inactive

        Whittingham. Meyer doesn’t run a clean program also if you pride loyalty so much your answer should be the same.

        • #7438

          Ute Bc
          Ute Fan
          @utebc

          Ummmm. I’ll take Meyer. I’ll pay him what he wants and he would never even consider going to Provo high.

          • #7442

            Anonymous
            Inactive

            So it really is about BYU? Not the silly arguement of loyalty?

            • #7444

              Ute Bc
              Ute Fan
              @utebc

              It’s really about you not reading my posts. I have no problem with coach Whitt looking at and having us compete with other programs – just not BYU for the reasons above.

              However, beyond that, I think Urban is the best football coach we have ever had. He also is the best coach in the nation in my opinion. You value loyalty over results. I don’t.

    • #7445

      Tony
      Admin/Founder
      @admin

      From a win/loss percentage only Urban should be the best coach in Ute history without a doubt. In two seasons he lost two total games (both in the first season).

      I would guess without using the google, that Whit is #1 in total wins.

      • #7450

        Anonymous
        Inactive

        Urban did it with Mac recruits. If he is the best than his expectations of loyalty are pointless.

    • #7446

      Tony
      Admin/Founder
      @admin

      Now that I’ve used the google I find that Ronny Mac is the all-time winningest football coach at Utah with 88. Kyle is at 66.

    • #7448

      Ute Bc
      Ute Fan
      @utebc

      But he’s (Whitt) loyal!! Except he’s embarrassing the school by not saying he won’t go coach at a G 5

      • #7451

        Anonymous
        Inactive

        You are listening to local media which again all they are saying is MAYBE PROBABLY SORT OF Whitt is courting BYU to get a better deal.
        Despite zero evidence, the fact that CH was negotiating with Whitt PRIOR to Roscoe leaving and he was on a recruiting trip when Roscoe left. Somehow in our warped little mind we get it in our heads that he is being interviewed for the job? This is zoobs being zoobs and the media again being as reckless as possibly to damage Utah.

        I actually love that he is not responding to all of that silly little talk of him taking the job. Because you are right it is insulting but you missed the mark on who it insults.

    • #7452

      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Geez after reading this mess I can only conclude that the local Victoria’s Secret was having a panty sale and you guys bought a bunch, a size too small even.

      I’m sure that there’s nothing in a Booster’s donation contract that states they are entitled to receive explanations from the HC on his or his staff’s employment discussions, moves regarding the two deep roster, game plans, recruiting, etc.

      • #7454

        Ute Bc
        Ute Fan
        @utebc

        What booster asked for that? Boosters (customers if you will) can and do voice opinions – and it matters. When boosters get calls to help with scholarships, facilities et al – you better believe a healthy program needs boosters.

        For those that think Whitt is handling this perfectly – great! Hopefully the University will have plenty of those when the calls come.

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    • #7456

      MTM
      Ute Fan
      @mtm

      To me this is no more bothersome that the USC rumors.
      BYU is his alma mater so it is conceivable he might want to “come home”. People do things that don’t always make sense. But I don’t know what he’s done to fuel the speculation. I’ve only heard him say “I’d listen”.
      Rick Majerus used to do this every single year. He would express interest and even interview with schools that were clearly a step down from what he had at Utah.
      I say no big deal and I don’t believe KW is going anywhere.

    • #7458

      Tony
      Admin/Founder
      @admin

      I say no big deal and I don’t believe KW is going anywhere.

      Agree. It’s part of the chess game if anything.

    • #7464

      Dhisatake
      Ute Fan
      @dhisatake

      So here’s a crazy deal.. I’m a booster too. That must mean my opinion counts just as much as yours?

      Let’s just say that if you were a big enough booster, you would have all the information you wanted. The fact is you aren’t.

      Also public corporations do not consult every single stock owner when the company desires to make a decision. Major stockholders? Sure.. everyone else can suck it.

      So you’re saying that Norm Chow shouldn’t have never coached at Utah? Technically, ARod, Whitt and Whitt’s father Fred shouldn’t have coached at Utah either.

    • #7465

      Ute Bc
      Ute Fan
      @utebc

      I guess you haven’t read a word of what I wrote because I sure didn’t say anything near your diatribe.

      I’m glad you are a booster – your opinion does matter and carry weight. Sorry you think you’re a nobody. Your public corporation argument is not the same at all. We don’t own any of The U’s stock. We simply write them a check to help fund operations with no pay back expected. If the U didn’t have boosters we would not have football – that’s the cold hard truth.

      Regardless of what I know or do not know – it doesn’t change anything I wrote which you failed to either read or understand.

    • #7471

      perceptionate
      Ute Fan
      @perceptionate

      I definitely agree with you on this @utebc. BYU is our number one rival, and their coaching position would be for lower pay and less national pedigree. Whatever Whitt seems to be doing here feels like a slap in the face. And to @leftjace, this really isn’t good negotiating practice. If I’m Chris Hill, I’m p**sed. No doubt a lot of boosters and donors are upset by this as well. You’ve gotta be a team player to negotiate.

      • #7478

        GadValleyUte
        Ute Fan
        @maximumkungfu

        I see where BC is coming from and on one level I get it. On the other I don’t find it embarrassing but it could hurt the program if it scares off recruits or p**ses enough boosters off. So Whitt has got to be careful. I am at the point that I don’t think the BYU job provides him with much leverage with Hill. Another P5 maybe/probably, but BYU? Nope. He made his move me up 11 years ago and at that time the future directions of the schools were not so obvious. At this point there is little to no real incentive to go there. Unless he revels the challenge of saving a sinking ship more than competing for a championship. That’s the choice. They can’t compete on money for himself nor his assistants. They can’t compete on level of competition or stakes. If he goes there it’s a labor of love for the school, and I don’t think that’s where Kyle is at right now. Maybe in 5 years if he is tired of the greatest be and expectations here and BYU is really desperate and broken then maybe. But it makes no sense now.

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