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Double B


Ok, I’m a big lacrosse fan, but the U’s men’s lax team sucks….. The women are fantastic. I wish we would treat more of these obscure sports like we did gymnastics/skiing. This is a missed opportunity as the coaching staff doesn’t recruit at all. I mean, I don’t even think they attend local games. I doubt anyone on this board cares but me, lol. oh well….

  • Tony

    I think you’re right. 🙂

  • Wilson's Mustache

    Men’s Lacrosse will never take off at the U. Not enough high school kids play it in Utah, Utah isn’t in a region that that has a lot of recruiting talent, it doesn’t make any money & is very expensive plus Utah will never be a “traditional” lacrosse school.

    Utah lucked out with being one of the first schools to jump on the collegiate womens gymnastics train. Utah IS a traditional power in gymnastics.

    And don’t say “Denver” because they are absolutely the exception to the rule.

  • Barn

    I’m good friends with the coach and they are expected to have the biggest team they have ever had this year. It’s difficult without scholarships, but their tryout for “walkons” (players not guaranteed a jersey) was bigger than their team has been in the past. Give it time, more kids are playing, which p**ses me off because I’m a soccer guy and our club soccer team is abysmal.

  • Riot West

    I know a high school kid in Indiana that’s very interested in lacrosse. I was trying to pimp the team but know nothing about it. I see that there is a semi-functional website. If this kid is half-way decent, what chances are there for him to make the team?

  • Double B

    Fortunately for your friend, his chances are very good (100%). This is the problem though, the Utes don’t recruit at all. Utah high school lacrosse is very good when you consider it is a state of just 2 million. It is comparable to Texas and better than every Western state except Colorado and California. The great kids go to a varsity program back east (can’t compete with this as Utah can’t offer scholarships) but good kids go to Westminster (great program) or out of state. No one with any skill in the state considers Utah as an option since they suck so bad (lost to UVU and Utah State last year). Need to find a head coach that is just motivated to get off his ass and make a few phone calls and we could at least be an MCLA powerhouse…..

    • voxnihili

      One of the biggest difference between gymnastics/skiing and lacrosse teams is that the former are a part of the athletics department and the latter (along with the hockey team, men’s soccer and others) are not. In fact, IIRC, club teams are overseen by the campus recreation department.

      Maybe I’m missing something but I think it would be very difficult to recruit for a club sport. The only chance for scholarships is for some wealthy lacrosse fan to decide he wants to help out those who choose to play lacrosse at the school and even then, it has to be approved by the campus rec department.

      Club sports, in general, face a pretty tough situation. They are unlikely to be brought into the athletic department unless they have a high level of support/success (and there is a women’s team to join them), but they are unlikely to get a high level of support/success without the backing of the athletic department. It seems rare that a club sport at a school is able to make that transition. I know that hockey at ASU recently made that move but I don’t know of any other examples.

  • Double B

    This year's recruits

    I love that we are going after better talent. The risk seems to be that we won’t land anyone this year. Anyone else starting to get nervous about this?

  • User Suspended

    When has Utah ever really landed better talent? We seem to be stuck in this “diamond in the rough” mode of supposedly overlooked kids or JUCO’s.

    Hands down my biggest criticism with the KW regime. Sure, he can coach’m up, but imagine what the Utes could do with with a top 20 class.

    • justaute

      Perhaps KW either does not have enough talent to recognize/hire good OC or wants too much control so no good OC wants to come to Utah.

    • I am confused this is basketball right?

    • rbmw263

      Unless you are an elite program, you arent getting getting those classes at a cold weather school.

  • Hockeybeard

    Utah has a massive negative credit when it comes to recruiting, even with our basketball history. Unfortunately, this year our coaches tried to capitalize off the Sweet 16 win and have struck out so far. Long ways to go to get our signees, but landing some of those guys who have already committed would have been VERY nice.

  • Rick

    We have a very senior heavy roster, especially counting Jakob as a senior since he will leave for the draft. I think some of these top kids look at the roster and don’t see a lot of minutes in their first year at Utah. I think if we can get back to the Sweet 16 or better this season things will be different next off season with recruiting due to the amount of vacancies left after graduation.

    • justaute

      Aren’t we recruiting for 2016-17?

  • iamthepreacher

    Yes, we are recruiting for 2016-2017. We lose Taylor, Loveridge, Tucker, and likely Poeltl. There will definitely be opportunities for playing time in 2016-2017. I’m surprised we are struggling to get some kids committed. Then again, we seem to be going after the cream of the crop.

  • justaute

    We lost another one. Jonah Matthews, a 4* 2016 SG, committed to U$C today.

  • justaute

    Jayce Johnson, a 4* center, just committed to the U. Picked us over Cal, ASU, CU, Kansas, etc.

  • palos_verdes_ute

    Jayce Johnson – 4 star recruit. Saw him play a few times in LA. Doesn’t have the greatest footwork, a bit slow, mid range shooting is not good. But he fills the void inside the paint.

    • justaute

      Yah…just saw his mix video. He seems ok. Hope those 4* means he has a lot of upside.

  • rbmw263

    Dreaming about a Johnson/Markannen frontcourt with Chapman at the 3. Man..

  • palos_verdes_ute

    Lost another one…to Arizona

  • THEeyepatch

    Anyone else think…

    UCLA gets beat by Arizona?

    Any thoughts Utes fans?

  • Wilson's Mustache

    That’s a tough one to call. I think UCLA wins if Rosen has a good game. If he has another game like he did against BYU they will lose. Arizona has just looked okay through their first three games. UCLA is a little more battle tested.

    Regardless, it’ll be a good game.

    • THEeyepatch

      Nobody gives UA respect, but they did win the South last year. I take the Wildcats, TDS exposed the UCLA secondary.

      • 89ute

        Based on pretty much nothing, I’m liking Arizona too. They started slow last year and kept getting better. I’m following last year’s trend and I think they will do enough to win this week.

        I think they get Scooby back and UCLA is down three starters, Rosen’s first tough road test. This could actually be ugly for UCLA.

    • UtahUteGuy

      What Rosen’s subpar game against byu-p tells me is that Rosen only gets up for the big games. 🙂

  • Rosen will lose a few conference games because of his youth. Utah, USC, Stanford and UA are the losses they will suffer. Cal may also be close but they will get the home win. Playing @Utah late is the main reason why I think UCLA loses.

    • rbmw263

      Yup. UCLA will be near-elite level when Rosen is on his game. But he likely wont be on his game in several contests, leaving them beatable like they were last week

  • UtahSig

    I hope UCLA wins because UA is the defending South Champ and they rolled us last year. I think we beat UCLA this year, but I don’t think we can beat UA. The more games UA loses the better chance for us to take the South.

    Go Utes! Go Bruins!

  • Utemachine

    I’m admittedly biased as I am a UCLA fan but I think Rosen comes out of his 6 quarter funk for a W. The big loss is Miles Jack who is out for the season.

  • Rosen is a Pro Style or Pocket Passer style QB. It takes time for such a QB to see the game and process what they’re seeing. He needs to learn that he has a lot of playmakers around him and thus does not need to make THE play with his arm when it’s not there. Sometimes it’s just better to suck the ball down, run out of bounds, slide, or throw it out of bounds and go to the next play. He will learn that.

    Dual threat QBs can have more immediate impact because they can safely bail a play out with their legs.

  • UtahMan12

    Is it just me or….

    do others feel the same in regards to our offense? I definitely don’t feel as confident in the offense as I am in the defense, but I feel if we have 2-3 quarters of really good offense I would be much more at ease with our schedule. At the same time, hence my uneasiness, it can take just 2-3 more quarters to prove our offense isn’t going to score more than certain opponents and we are stuck relying on the defense again. I know we have the talent but its hard to put money on our offense when I haven’t been “convinced” enough. Heres hoping the staff has been holding back a bit prior to conference play. I think Oregon is a great time to prove this.

  • Tony

    Coach was asked if he was holding back prior to conference play. He said no. The conservative, power offense and good defense have served Whitt well and I don’t see it changing much unless we get some more talented players at key positions.

    • UtahMan12

      Do you feel Whit is playing the question all together? I wonder how many coaches hold back a bit during non-conference games prior to their first conference game. Not disagreeing, just wondering.

      • rbmw263

        Whitt would never say yes to that question. Especially if he actually was holding back. That said, I dont think we were.

    • Though DC was much maligned, he did come into Utah and tell them there is no way you can win with the Turnover Margin you have. There is no way you can win throwing 18 INTs against 16 TDs. So they pulled back on trying to win games based on the passing game first and emphasized the run game. Some whine that they put a leash on Travis Wilson. I would argue that they altered the game plan to fit his abilities while emphasizing ball control. Many will complain that this is not sexy, but at the end of the day, scoreboard is what matters, especially for coach looking to keep his job. Just be prepared for low scoring games with the outcome determined by 2 to 3 key plays.

  • Hockeybeard

    I’ve re-watched the first 25 minutes (1st Quarter and half of 2nd Quarter until TW gets injured) and I’m convinced that THAT offense can get it done in this conference. No, we will not score eleventy-billion points and boat-race inferior teams…but we WILL win with a suffocating defense, soul-crushing special teams, and some consistent, grind-your-face-into-dust punishing offensive drives led by our running game.

    Is it Saturday yet?

  • UtahMan12

    I feel we can get it done, maybe Im always comparing our offense to the Alex Smith and B Johnson days when I was a student. We sure got spoiled with our offensive production under those guys. I also feel its hard to be a player and not have a consistent coaching staff year in and year out. I do like our staff, just too new to see how well they can be together.

    • Hockeybeard

      But even with BJohnson in 2008 – there were times our offense was terrible. I remember a game where Johnson was responsible for 3 turnovers I think…but we still got it done at the end of the day. The only thing that matters when its all said and done is how many W’s can be counted.

      • GadValleyUte

        I thought we had exactly one good year of genuinely good offense: 2004. My recollection on 2008 was we played just well enough to be in it at the end and BJ was in such command that when he got to run the 2 minute drill he could orchestrate at a very high level. The Alabama game was so shocking because we did just the opposite: we ran the 2 minute drill 3 times early on, got a lead and held it. When Bama got close again we let Brian off the leash again. Nope our offense has lacked pizzazz and really had no identity for a decade. Every year I hope we develop something watchable and every year I am disappointed. Oh well. Such is life.

      • rbmw263

        Ludwig tried to make that 08 offense something it wasnt. It had special potential, and we saw that towards the end of the year

  • UtahMan12

    I hear ya hockey, too many heart attack wins even with those undefeated seasons.

  • UteStuckInSeattle

    You can see a difference this year in our offense when Wilson is at the helm. It’s not a HUGE difference but I think it brings enough variety and production to get us another win or two above last year.

    10-2 has a nice ring to it and I honestly don’t think it’s an unrealistic outcome.

    I’m REALLY looking forward to Saturday to what our Utes can accomplish in Autzen.

    • Hockeybeard

      I like 10-2…and with the way ASU, USC, and UCLA have been playing, it may be enough to win the south if we can upset AZ…

      • UteStuckInSeattle

        I think Zona is the key this year. Rich Rod always seems to have our number each year, and we’re at their place.

        If we can knock them off along with two out of ASU, USC, and UCLA then we’re in business.

    • Wilson's Mustache

      Get out of here with your optimism. Are you sure you’re a Utah fan?

      All kidding aside I think Utah will go anywhere from 7-5 to 10-2. I think 10-2 get us into the PAC-12 championship game. If I had to guess though I’d say we go 9-3 with losses to Arizona, USC & wait for it….Oregon. Unfortunately football is just too unpredictable with injuries & everything else. There isn’t a team on our schedule I don’t think Utah can’t beat.

  • 89ute

    We are a tough team to beat when we don’t turn the ball over.

    Here’s an idea I’d like to see when we punt. Teams are putting two returners deep which counters the benefits of the rugby style punt. This gives us numbers when it comes to a fake. Whitt has said as much. Something is cooking here. Here’s my wild idea. Put a sturdy QB like Chase Hansen in a deep shotgun with Hackett to his side and run an option punt type play. If the return team keeps two men deep, look for the option (pass or Chase runs) if it’s not there, flip to Hackett and he punts on the run. If they pull one of the two deep men to support the fake, Chase flips to Hackett and he punts the hell out of it rugby style away from the return man.

    • I like this idea, we should take advantage.

  • Hockeybeard

    Roll Call – Who plays what?

    So I’m mostly a PC gamer, though I do have an XBox One that I play some Halo on (can’t wait for Halo 5). Also have an original Wii gathering dust in a box…

    I play everything from MMO’s, RPGs, to FPSs and RTSs.

    What does everyone play?

  • Wilson's Mustache

    I have an Xbox one and the only game I play is Madden 16. I’ll probably pick up Halo 5

  • MV

    Never did get into gaming.

    • Hockeybeard

      If you’ve got the free time, there’s no harm in trying. The barrier to getting into it now-a-days is very small – most modern PCs can handle lite stuff.

  • Tony

    I build drones.

    • Hockeybeard

      Like this one?

      • Tony

        No. Like this one…

        • Wilson's Mustache

          That is awesome & probably costs and exorbitent amount although most serious hobby do.

        • Puget Ute

          That is great Tony. I have been flying rc airplanes for almost 40 years now, and recently got into helis big time. The new tech for quads is amazing. I have friends who fly fpv and have fly-in gatherings where they film all kinds of cool things. I saw a vid of a guy who was (illegally) flying about 5 miles out and up to 20,000 ft altitude over the sound. In the vid you could see whales and porpoises at the lower altitudes, and when he was higher you could see the boats and ships, etc. all in crystal-clear 1080P.

          Another very cool vid was filmed flying through the sailboats during a race.

          You should start a thread and talk about your gear and post vids.

          • Tony

            Thanks Puget. I have a website dedicated to drones called Ambient Flight. It’s been a blast. I just started doing those super fast mini racing quadcopters. Insanely fast.

            • Puget Ute

              My brother (FlyinUte) has a 250 racer and just got into fpv. That looks like a ton of fun.

              I will look at your site.

  • Ute4life

    I play Ps4. MLB the Show, and the usual shooters(Battlefield, COD, etc). I like to game on PC, but I am in dire need of a new computer.

    • Hockeybeard

      I’ve built and upgraded my own PC in order to make it affordable. Hit me up if you come back to the Glorious PC Master Race 🙂

  • UteStuckInSeattle

    I have 4 custom-built PCs, 2 Xbox Ones, 2 Xbox 360’s, iPads, Kindles, and enough free time to play NONE of them.

    My kids love Minecraft and I get a game of NCAA in a few times a month with my teenage son, but outside of that my time spent on the computer is either work, home network (keeping the HTPCS and file servers running) or Ute stuff.

    My wife plays World of Warcraft.

    • Hockeybeard

      I’ve made my kids stay on the XBox with Minecraft so that the PC is mine…muahahaha

  • Jumpmasterute

    Never mind.

  • Homer Crimson

    Long time PC player, FPS, RPGs, I’ll try new MMORPGs, but they’re all the same mechanic anymore, and the grind has lost all appeal to me. After I’ve gotten an idea of what the world looks like, I usually bail because who needs a virtual 9-5?

    I can’t play FPS on consoles to save my life; nothing beats keyboard/mouse for accuracy. Witcher 3 is the only thing I’ve played recently, and it’s great. I just don’t have much time to game anymore.

    Oh, and on FPS’s, I prefer tactical realism rules. Anyone know any good recent games that lend themselves to that?

    • Hockeybeard

      Rainbow Six: The Siege has some good tactical based gameplay – Coming out on Dec. 1st Haven’t been in the beta but hearing good things about it.

      You sound a lot like me, MMOs lose their luster after the initial excitement and I just end up going back to WoW for a few months until the nostalgia burns away.

  • Dugway

    I’m up to 60 hours spent on Mad Max on the PC, with probably another 40 to go. I have quite enjoyed it, it definitely feels like Mad Max!

    • Hockeybeard

      I’ve only heard good things about Mad Max, which is refreshing since it didn’t get the huge corporate marketing push before it came out. I might have to pick it up on a steam sale later on.

  • utahpunk

    I play almost everything. I have:

    Retron3 (NES/SNES/Genesis)
    PC Games (Including emulators)

    *Favorite Genre/Franchise = SHMUPS/Gradius

  • UTAuley

    I have a ~15 y/o PC that I think I last turned on three years ago. Used to play MMORPGs like City of Heroes, WOW, and SW:G. Also used to load up older games like the original Fallout/Fallout2, Diablo’s, etc. when I felt like killing some time.

    I have an Xbox 360 which I game on maybe every other week or so. Never really enjoyed the online FPS games as I don’t have the time to get familiar and ended up just getting insta-killed by people who spend too much time on the game. Unfortunately my friends & family who game are generally playing these so I don’t often interact with them on Xbox Live. I’m more likely to fire up an outdated sports franchise for a game or two, or if I have time, I might play some AC:BF or GTA. I do enjoy Happy Wars as a quick, fun online interaction though.

    We also have a Wii which is usually found unplugged, though occasionally my wife clears some space to Zumba or one of the WiiFit games and then doesn’t actually turn the system on.

    My girls are still a bit young to game (3 & 1 next month) but as they get older, I’m sure we’ll start seeing some age-appropriate content taking over the consoles.

  • FormerUteSax

    Does Solitaire count?

  • MaxHallsLeftNut

    In my youth I had the pleasure of playing a spirited Bocce match with the son of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. He sullied the name of his father that day.

  • UtahUteGuy

    I like to play trivia games. Does that count?