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    • 09/22/2018 at 5:32 PM #68864
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      AgouraUte
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      The past 24 hours of watching football have confirmed to me our offense is a dumpster fire.

       

      After Vikings landed their boat on some distance land and as they departed to fight the local inhabitants, the leader would have the crew burn their own boat on the shore. Then they went into battle with the image of their burning boat at their back.

       

      The burning of their ship clearly made the point that the only possible way home was to win the battle. It reinforced their own level of commitment.

       

      What is the Utes equivalent of burning the boats? My thoughts…..

       

      1. Bench Huntley and start Shelley

      2. Have Gary Anderson run the offense and make Troy Taylor his assistant

      3. Fire Whittingham at the end of the season 

       

      Do you think we are at a burn the boats moment?

       

    • 09/22/2018 at 5:36 PM #68865
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      ironman1315
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      No. The problems aren’t big. They’re little mistakes. The biggest problems with the the problems is that there are a lot of little things. But these little things can be fixed.

      • 09/22/2018 at 5:52 PM #68873
        jrj84105
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        A single big issue would be easier to fix or gameplan around than myriad small ones.

        • 09/22/2018 at 5:55 PM #68875
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          EagleMountainUte
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          Yeah a lot of little things should not be a problem during the season. I have no idea how this wasn’t identified in in fall camp. 

          • 09/22/2018 at 5:59 PM #68877
            ironman1315
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            Maybe they’re good in practice but get the yips in games.

        • 09/22/2018 at 5:58 PM #68876
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          ironman1315
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          Not necessarily.

          Small issue 1: running. Feed moss. Easy fix.

          Small issue 2: Drops. WRs caught everything in camp. They have the skill. They just need to get out of their own heads.

          Fix those two things and we are in business.

          The biggest issue is Huntley and his decision making. And that is big. But, I’m not sure what the solution is. Is it benching Huntley? Maybe. But I don’t watch tape and spend all day with these guys so I can’t say for sure if a benching is the solution.

          • 09/22/2018 at 6:00 PM #68879
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            EagleMountainUte
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            Taylor had that problem with Moss last season. Huntley seemingly likes to take carries away from him. We haven’t seen practice but how do we know they didn’t drop s**t?

    • 09/22/2018 at 5:38 PM #68866
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      User Suspended
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      Yes to number 3.  Five years to late, but yes

      • 09/22/2018 at 5:41 PM #68867
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        AgouraUte
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        He can’t get us to the next level. We are the Indiana of the PAC 12

      • 09/22/2018 at 5:42 PM #68869
        ironman1315
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        Are you willing to turn into Nebraska of ICLA. It’s a gamble that you’re facing when you suggest firing Whitt. What will you do if Utah fires Whitt and Utah turns into 1980s Utah?

        • 09/22/2018 at 5:47 PM #68871
          EagleMountainUte
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          How many years in a row have you said that about Utah football and defended Whitt’s failed offensive intelligence?  

          • 09/22/2018 at 5:53 PM #68874
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            ironman1315
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            A few. But, again, you can’t just focus on one side of the ball. The question we need to ask is how willing are we to fire a coach that is good but not great and risk turning Utah into something worse all for the hope to get something better.

            The answer isn’t as simple as fire Whitt. The second component is to fire Whitt and have someone ready to go. I would prefer a great G5 coach that has a defensive identity similar to Utah and a power offense. But are there any coaches out there like that available that won’t break the budget IDK.

            • 09/22/2018 at 5:59 PM #68878
              EagleMountainUte
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              We all have seen 09/15/2018 so many years in a row now it is sickening. Utah had chances but something is in the way. We want to say starting qb, the OC, execution, the Wideouts, lack of identity, depth on and on. The constant through all of this? The head coach, time for a change after you have changed all of the other things. 

              • 09/22/2018 at 6:12 PM #68887
                ironman1315
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                Ok. Who you gonna get? I’m not asking for a specific person per se. But I must ask who you would prefer in terms of style and how to find that guy. Because the problem with the fire Whitt refrain is that we go into a gray area where we have three options 1) stay the same; 2) improve; 3) get worse.

                • 09/22/2018 at 6:26 PM #68891
                  EagleMountainUte
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                  Not Whitt easy answer. Change is needed. Washington was some horse s**t dude when you could have won. Watch Oregon with Herbert. 

                  • 09/22/2018 at 6:32 PM #68892
                    ironman1315
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                    Do we have a Herbert?

                    I agree that Washington was garbage. But, again, how much are you willing to risk. Wjat should Utah do if we pick the wrong coach? What coach available and in budget out there could take this team to the next level?

                    • 09/22/2018 at 6:36 PM #68894
                      EagleMountainUte
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                      What are you risking? Preseason hype like a Zoob and then having your hopes kicked in the nuts?

                      • 09/22/2018 at 6:37 PM #68896
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                        ironman1315
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                        We risk becoming Oregon state. Which is much more likely to happen than us becoming Clemson.

                      • 09/22/2018 at 6:47 PM #68901
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                        EagleMountainUte
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                        WE ALREADY ARE OREGON ST!!!  

                      • 09/22/2018 at 6:50 PM #68902
                        ironman1315
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                        So we’ve been 1-11, 4-8, and 2-10 in the last 3 years. That’s news to me.

                      • 09/22/2018 at 7:00 PM #68909
                        EagleMountainUte
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                        Haven’t won the north. Who cares about record if you haven’t done that. 

                        Meanwhile look at what beating Wvu did for Utah in a meaningless bowl game last season. WVU killing it. 

                      • 09/22/2018 at 7:14 PM #68914
                        ironman1315
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                        Because there’s a significant difference between being a good team and being a dumpster fire. But if you are willing to risk running Whitt out and go back to being the 80s version of the Utes in the hopes we overachieve our station then be my guest.

                  • 09/22/2018 at 6:34 PM #68893
                    ironman1315
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                    And in case you’re wondering, I agree that Whitt isn’t going to get us to the next level. But I’m willing to wait a year or three to get the a great coach that will stay here rather than get stuck with some schlub.

                    • 09/22/2018 at 6:39 PM #68897
                      EagleMountainUte
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                      Great coach vs unknown vs nut punch pain?

                      Odds on all of them suck. Utah defense won’t go away so fast. I guess the new transfer rules can be risky. But if you are Tuttle and Shelly watching this s**t offense be trudged out there while you earned the backup spot?  Why not transfer as well?  It is not without risks but I am sick of these same shoulda won offensive turd losses. 

                      • 09/22/2018 at 6:51 PM #68905
                        ironman1315
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                        Why stay of the guys that recruited you left if you’re Tuttle and Shelly?

            • 09/22/2018 at 6:11 PM #68886
              User Suspended
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              Go hard after Mike Leach.  Utah is a better job.

              • 09/22/2018 at 6:14 PM #68888
                ironman1315
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                Does that system fit with Utah’s recruiting profile? I’m not certain it does. We need to find a guy with a power system.

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