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IglooDweller
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UTES Will be Really Good

I almost hate to say it, but this team is going to be really good this year. Seems no one wants to believe it, but we’re going to be formidable. 

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    Tony
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    I approve this message.

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      ladyinred
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      Me too. It is getting warmer and I really needed some nice, refreshing koolaid. 

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    HoosierUte
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    Agree 100%. o/u 6.5 is the easiest money out there right now. 

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    Hammer
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    Agree. The defense is legit. I have a scout.com account, every year I say, “this is the most talent Utah has ever had across the board.” And I say that again this year.

    Tyrone Smith at 6’4″ switches to CB and then three 4* recruits are coming in:

    Jaylon Johnson, 6-2, 185, Fresno, Calif., cornerback, four-star defensive back earned prep All-America recognition and was highly recruited. May make an immediate impact with the Utes.

    Tareke Lewis&amp, 6-1, 175, Riverside CC (Calif.), cornerback, four-star recruit was considered one of the nations top junior college defensive backs.

    Javelin Guidry, 5-10, 180, Murrieta, Calif., cornerback, four-star recruit had 31 pass breakups and six interceptions as a senior.

    Jaylon Johnson: Jaylon Johnson

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      Stone
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      Sheesh! He is built like a college senior, definitely not a high school senior.

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      noneyadb

      The stats on Johnson are dated, he’s bulked up and gotten faster

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    Rick

    Street and Smith’s has us in second place in the south behind USC.  I think that is pretty accurate.

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      Utah

      I agree. I think the Stanford, UCLA and USC games determine the south. Whoever wins two of those three wins the south. 

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        ladyinred

        Everyone and their grandma always talks up USC every year, they are talented, etc etc they are the favorite to win the south, the conf, the world. But they still don’t have a great HC, and that’s a yuge weakness. I just have a strong suspicion that they will start out flat again. Not saying any or all of the above won’t beat Utah, but for the same reason of coaching, UCLA gets dinged as well. Stanford has a really good HC though. 

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          Utah

          Our defense is right there with anyone. I’d say anyone in the country. 

          It’s all on our offense. Can Harding get an OL together and can Taylor get something out of our QB’s? 

          If so…*excitement*

          I think the BYU game will be very telling. We should blow them out. This should be a 21 point win. If so, whoa baby, look out. 

          If it’s another close game, then we either have OL problems or QB problems and that spells a 7 win season. 

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            noneyadb

            If the BYU game is close than Utah is likely in for a far worse season than 7 wins depending on how that game plays out. If Utah has 6 TO’s again and it’s another close game, okay, 7 is attainable. If it’s close or a loss and Utah plays a clean game, ru-roh.

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          RedLine
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          Hate to disagree with you lady but Clay Helton isn’t incompetent.  USC went W W W etc after the loss to Utah.   Happened to be Darnold’s first start.  I love nothing more than a Ute win against USC, but this year I have concern with USC.  That team doesn’t stay down long. 

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            Utah

            What worries me about USC is that they don’t need a great coach. They just need someone to run the ball and lean on their defense. 

            I’m worried that Helton will do just that. 

            Spread offense is a gimmick for teams that lack talent. USC doesn’t lack talent. They should be running a pro style, run heavy offense. 

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              justaute
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              Yup. And, I really like its QB. The poise and professionalism, besides fantastic skills, shown by Darnold were very impressive.

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    cjd1
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    Sean O’Connell out at ESPN700

    Sean O’Connell has been fired. Gunther and Hackett will be the new show.

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    Utah
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    Sigh. That’s too bad. Hopefully Gunther is good to listen to. 

    I still think OC and Ben Anderson should have a show. 

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    rbmw263
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    I don’t mind Hackett like some but how did we go from bill and OC to hackett and gunther….man

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    Tony
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    I tried to listen to Hackett, but I just couldn’t hack it.

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    IglooDweller
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    Riley is the problem. The guy we had before, Matt something, he was good.

    I’ve never liked Riley. I don’t like his p-b-p. I don’t listen to his radio show.

    700 kept him instead of Matt because they needed a futbol guy.

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    Larry B
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    I wonder if they’ll make Scott Mitchell a co-host. Last week when Bill and Scott were on, they said they had an announcement they’d make this week.

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    czacher
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    More offseason football talk…

    Here is a question for next year. Covey will be returning next year and I am curious to know what the consensus is if there is any drop-off because of the 2-year hiatus. How do returned missionaries fare their 1st year back?

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    Utah
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    Man, I can’t wait for him to come back. He was so fun. I was a non-believer, but he converted me. It will be fun to see him in Taylor’s offense when we run 2-3 slot WR’s. He should excel. 

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    I expect him to be bigger and slower.  Maybe he’s keeping in shape.

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    Stone

    My impression is that generally speaking the returned missionaries need a full year of conditioning to return to pre-mission form (if they ever recover). It is the rare exception (although there certainly have been some) where a returned missionary was able to immediately step back into the team without missing a beat. However, I would not be suprised if Covey is that exception. Primarily because his talent is speed/shiftiness – things that can be somewhat preserved on a mission. Players that require intense lifting routines and loads of strength suffer most on a mission because there is little to no access to good weight training; whereas there is typically an opportunity to go run, jump rope, etc. Covey also strikes me as the type of guy that is really driven to stay fit, so I don’t imagine he will let himself get too soft phyiscally on his mission.

    I think he will do great in the Coach Taylor offense, so here’s to hoping that Covey is the exception to the rule.

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    rbmw263
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    14 weeks until kickoff

    I probably say this every june but the anticipation for this year feels stronger for me. With a high level offense we are contending for a CFP spot a few of the last 4 years. I think Troy Taylor is the real deal but there are a lot of variables outside of him that could keep our offense from being above average this year. Major boom and major bust (with our sched) potential. Could see anywhere from 4 to 11 wins

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    GameForAnyFuss
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    Here are a few questions to hopefully stimulate some discussion:
    I hate to be “that guy”, but if the win total is closer to 4, who of the coaching staff survives? I think that Utah FB is definitely trending upward overall, but this year might be a step back because the conference will be really good. 2018 could be a special year for Utah, but can we survive 2017 without eating our own?

    If the offense sputters this year, how much slack will Taylor be given? If we have another end of season meltdown, will Whit be on the hot seat? One thing about Utah fans is we can be quite shortsighted – if 2017 is rough, will the pitchforks come out within the fanbase, or will we keep the big picture in mind?

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      Utah
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      I say no one gets the hot seat, even if we only win 4 games. We know the defense is solid. We know that Scalley/Whitt are some of the best in the business. We know know that all Shah does is recruit and put kids in the NFL. DL/LB has been fine as well. 

      As for offensively, it’s Taylor’s first year. And Kiel’s as well. Whitt ain’t firing his brother. Guy Holliday has been a recruiting force and the best WR coach we’ve had since Gonzalous. Harding is incredible. 

      Even with only 4 wins, you don’t fire anyone. 

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      Hammer
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      IMO, we are in the Golden Age of Utah Football. Looking back, I think most will revere K-Whitt with taking the program into the PAC 12 and growing it to be the best per cost dollar program inthe country. He would not be in the hot sheet for several years IMO. 

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        Utah
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        This, when you see how little we spend, it’s shocking how many wins we have with how little we spend. 

        We are spoiled. 

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      Offseason posters include a lot of optimists. I can appreciate a post on the skeptical side. A four win season would be devestating, but I don’t think it would result in major coaching changes. Whitt has done a nice of job of buying security seasons. I’m no insider and I don’t know Whitt’s psyche, but my preception of Whitt securing Taylor was that it was different than other OCs he’s hired. 

      Will the pitchforks come out? They always come out by a segment of the fan base. It’s the athletics director and university that matter in that call. And after a four win season he’d be downgraded a bit and told to go have a better season.

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    Tony
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    If we are talking about 4 wins I’m assuming we win the first 3?  That would mean 1 conference win?  Or maybe we drop one in the pre-conference season?  Then that would mean 2 conference wins?  Doesn’t seem likely.  Possible, but not likely.

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    UteDuke
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    Continuing the trend of trying to have good football talk in the offseason,

    Which of the fall incoming players are you most interested to see in camp?

    This recruiting class has a lot of potential, especially at some of the positions of need. A lot of those players could be pretty big for us, but who are you most excited to see now? This excludes anyone who participated in Spring Ball such as Bateman and Ballard.

    Personally, I want to see How Jaylon Johnson and Jordan Agasiva do in camp. Johnson for the obvious reasons that he is one of the highest rated prospects we’ve ever netted and could be huge for the program for years to come. I also really want to see what Shaw can do over time with that kind of talent.

    Agasiva tops many of the other more flashy skill position players in my mind because of his potential to make an instant impact on the O-line. If he is somehow able to come in and claim a starting position on the line that could go a very long way towards shoring up some of the big question marks the team faces currently. 

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    IglooDweller
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    The two defensive backs. You mentioned Johnson, and also the JC Xfer Ballard. I’m also very interested in the new RB that’s coming in.

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    GoUtes
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    I agree with you, particularly on Jaylon Johnson. Can he be a day one starter at corner as a true freshman?

    Any others coming in we expect to contribute right away? I don’t anticipate TJ Green playing much given the RB depth we have. Marquise Blair will be expected to play, right? There’s always somebody who surprises us. I’m thinking one of the WRs will surprise given the new offense. Maybe Vickers or Dixon?

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    We also have Tareke Lewis and Marquise Blair coming in as Jr’s.

    Not to mention, the cupboard is not bare. We DO have some guys that have been in the program just awaiting their turn. I’m not as worried about the Defensive Backs as some others I’ve seen posting, or as much as I am about the OL.

    Also, there is the WR who switched sides, Tyrone Smith, but we should have some competitive depth in the backfield.

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    rbmw263
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    Im interested in a lot of our newcomers but far more interested in how some of our guys who are already here will progress. Especially Donovan Thompson, Davir, Tupai, and LEKI. If those 4 progress our defense should be solid at worst and potentially very, very good

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      IglooDweller
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      I expect the Defense to start out as very good, and be jaw dropping awesome by season end.

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    Utah
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    Bryan Thompson, Derrick Vickers, Jaylen Dixon and see how Tyquez Hampton has improved. 

    We need WR’s. We have three really good ones coming into the program. If two those three plus Hampton can crack the rotation, that would help the offense out big time. 

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    Predictors of success

    I believe on the Phil Steele website, I saw that we have the lowest number of returning starters in the conference with 11. Oregon had the highest with 17. I hear it said often that this is a great predictor of success. Has anybody found a good source that shows that this is actually true from a lookback perspective? Do actual results bear this out?

    I may be captain obvious here but is the better indicator returning starters at key positions (QB, OL, DL)? Also, if you have mediocre players returning, is that better than giving newcomers (with hopefully more talent) a shot?

    I also may be just trying to make myself feel more optimistic since we have the least amount of starters returning.

    Just trying to stir up some football talk…. Can’t wait for this fall.  

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    Rick
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    This might help answer your question:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2015/09/03/college-football-returning-starters/71525990/

     

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      UteThunder

      That article made me feel a bit better about who we return as opposed to how I feel about how many we have returning. Going off of their positions of importance being those in “the middle”, we have returning starters in 4 of the 6 positions mentioned: QB, LB, S, and P, the exceptions being C and K. 

      Really wish we had more experience returning on the OL.

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      GoUtes

      Great article. Thanks for sharing.

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    Hammer
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    I count 13. We have 7 returning starters on Defense. Offensively I count 6

    D-Line: Fitts, Lotulelei, Mokofisi

    LB: Laufatasaga, Tauteoli, Barton

    Secondary: Chase Hansen

    Offense I count 6: Troy Williams, J. Barton, Lo Falemaka, Uhatafe, Siale Fakailoatonga, (Raelon Singleton or Demari Simpkins)

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      I would count Armand Shyne and or Zach Moss who both started at times.  I think Shyne has a blow out year this season.

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      UteThunder
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      Being a bit generous with a couple of those returning starters.

      J. Barton has only started 2 games, Falemaka has 0 starts, and C. Barton has only started 5 games(though he was our second leading tackler last year so he did see a ton of playing time).

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        Hammer
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        I disagree somewhat. Reading their bio off the roster site doesn’t tell the whole story. J. Barton was listed as co starter the whole season…Tevi was likely given the actual first snaps due to seniority., but yeah, Tevi had the bulk of the snaps. Lo was listed as starter after dielm an went down, then got hurt himself. didn’t mean to use bold here, not sure how my iPad is doing this,

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          UteThunder
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          I can buy that regarding J. Barton, but Lo never started a game and according to his bio only played 100 snaps on the O-Line last year, 94 of which came in relief of Dielman in the Cal game.

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    UtahFanSir

    Consider this as only one data point. Last season Colorado had the most returning players. 

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      Rick

      And the vast majority of them were seniors.  Kind of like our ’08 team.

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      GoUtes

      Agreed on it being just one data point. We all agree on this, I believe, but it doesn’t always tell the whole story. Williams is a returning starter but I’m not terribly confident given the mediocre performance of the offense last year. Hopefully, that had to do with coaching and we will see some improvement there. Maybe with a system in place that takes better advantages of his strengths we will see better completion percentage and overall production.

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    I’d say it’s a big thing. It’s why I was so confident last year with this team: our OL and DL were so experienced. Same with Wilson’s last year. 

    Our OL experience seems bad with four guys going to the NFL, BUT we do return three players who started games for us. That’s big. 

    Our DL depth/returners are insane. 

    If our QB play stays the same, we win 7-8 games next year. If our QB’s bump up to 6-8th in the PAC-12 we win 9-10 games. If our QB is top 4, we tie with USC for south crown at worst and play in a BCS Bowl. 

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      Who are the three OL who have started games for us? Uhatafe has 25 starts and Barton has 2. As far as I can tell, none of our other OL have a single start. 

      And while having two guys with 27 combined starts is better than nothing, it is far from big. 

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        Utahute72
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        Lo Falamaka would be the third.

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          UteThunder
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          But he didn’t actually start any games, at least not according to his bio on Utahutes.com. 

          Dielman got injured early against Cal and Lo finished the game for him but then was injured himself and didn’t play another snap on the O-Line the rest of the season, he did come back and play some special teams.

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      GoUtes

      Yeah, I’m never worried about returning starters on the D-Line. We are so stacked there.

      About the OL, you’re right. It’s easy to say that we only have one returning starter there, but we do have some guys with great experience given all of the injuries we had last year. It’s not like those four draftees played every snap last year and we have guys with zero experience stepping up. All that said, it’s still the area I’m most nervous about.

      I completely agree on QB play. I would love to see how we could do with a top-level in the conference QB. Would be amazing. I’m really hoping the Taylor hire helps us get there.

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    PlainsUte
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    I think those magazines and sites want you to believe its very important because in college football it is the one thing that they can calculate and rank with some certainty.    

    I think you want quality players in the key skill positions and experienced people in the trenches.  A team also needs some depth to survive the rigors of the Pac-12 season.

    Specific to the Utes seems like there were a lot of returning starters but once again our oh-fense was not what it takes to get the top in the Pac-12 South.   Hoping some new schemes from the OC and fresh blood at QB will improve that for the Utes this year – but still up in the air and even the preview magazine/site gurus are not able to predict that.

    GO UTES!

     

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    Utahute72
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    The lack of returning starters on the Oline is the biggest issue. On D-line at Utah, given the way we use them, it’s more about the top 8 players since they rotate. Skill positions on offense are less of an issue because you can overcome some mistakes with athletic ability. On Defense LB and Safety are the most difficult to learn, but somewhat like D-line loss of starters can be offset by players that have been in the system. Given the fact we will be relying on players from outside to fill those spots this year, it is a potential source of problems.

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    I don’t want to discount experience as a success predictor, but it is too much of a broad brush factor to be considered to be very accurate. More important is who does a team have coming back? Does a team have leadership in the position groups?

    UTES have senior, two year starters at all of the Defensive position groups. I look to Hansen and Tauteoli to be strong leaders of their groups. The DL is not a concern. UTAH has hardcore competitive depth there.

    The Offense is more of a question. We can’t answer that today, but we do have leadership at QB, even if the starter turns out to be Bateman.

    Leadership is a bigger predictor than mere experience, and imho we have that.

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      Utah

      Experience on OL and DL is never understated. If you bring back 5 OL, you are all but guaranteed 8 wins. It’s huge. 

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    I think the schedule is almost as big of a predictor of success as the returning players. Our schedule is brutal.

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      Very true. We face four NFL QB’s this fall, plus Oregon, Stanford and Colorado. Seven wins is 1-3 vs the QB’s and 1-2 vs the other three. That’s a good floor to have. 

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        Tony

        How did that Goff NFL QB do against us?

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    cooler20days
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    Newest addition to the garage.

    Painted by my sister. Gotta rep strong in Orem!

     

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    Daedalus

    Why not on the outside?  😉

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      The man lives in Orem, should be obvious. The Utah Haters would vandalize her beautiful work if it were outside. Those sumbitches can’t be trusted

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      I fly a Ute flag most of the year outside.  I don’t live in Orem though. But it serves as a message to any zoobs in the neighborhood that I’m not one of them.

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    Utah

    It’s beautiful. A tear hath invaded mine eye. 

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    GameForAnyFuss
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    When you said “newest addition to the garage”, at first I thought you were talking about the minivan and I kinda threw up in my mouth a little.

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    Milton Vanderslice
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    Who the hell has a garage that clean?

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    Kyle Kuzma comments on Lakers workout

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    Rick
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    He has really grown up to be a fine young man.  Very impressed with his humbleness and his ability to communicate.  If he gets with the Lakers he may see some decent playing time.

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    If you can’t stand Lavar Ball, you’ll get a kick out of this…

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    jamarcus24
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    I hope this Edgar Espina guy says the most dumb ass stuff and cashes in on tons of free publicity.