Utah Utes Message Board

rbmw263
1

this season goes from good to great with the O line

Im far from the first to say this. Hope they take as a challenge. There are other groups that need to step up but it wouldnt matter if the OL doesnt achieve the potential that the personnel group has. Put us on your back O Bock

  • Dante Guardi

    Ford, Umana and Paulo will all be great. Expecting Olaseni to be great, not sure about the other one, I know we have the Wazzu kid and the Marshall kid so i hope they can kill it

  • Manny Bowen film breakdown by Hans.

    I haven’t finished it yet I am assuming it is worth a watch. 

  • Utesbyfive
    5

    Says he’s versatile, and athletic, but not imposing and aggressive. He has a nose for the ball, and closing speed, but needs work on technique, and aggressiveness. He then says he thinks Cole Swann and the Utah system will make him better.

    • whitlessham

      hmmm,

       

      Image result for scratching chin emoji

      • UtahFanSir

        Wha’d Ya think, panic pickup. 

        • whitlessham
          5

          All I know is that he needs to be great.  That’s the problem with the transfer /JC addition.  

          Kwhitt flat out NEEDS these guys to be big… even before they’ve played a down for the Utes.

          That’s the crap shoot you get with below average high school recruiting.  

          • ironman1315
            2

            That’s the crap shoot you get with below average high school recruiting.

            FTFY.

            • whitlessham
              1

              Odds get better and better when you start bringing in 4 star high school recruites. Although kwhitt has been very fortunate with diamonds in the rough and retreads, his odds for success would become so much better if he could start landing 4 stars and get them into the system for a couple of years.  

        • Utesbyfive
          1

          Is that a statement or a question?

    • UtMtBiker
      2

      What kind of break down is this? Terrible!  He couldn’t find one good clip?  In 5 seconds on youtube I and found clips of him blowing up plays all over the field and Hans wants to point out 5 boring plays where he preformed mediocore.  

  • Duhwayne
    8

    Gionni Paul sure was a losing transfer wasn’t he.

    Bowen played 30+ games for a top Big Ten team. Ute staff routinely bring in studs on JC and make them NFL players. Why is everyone giving up because Hans pandered to his BYU loving audience? Reports were that he looked great in spring. Would Hans get the same page views if he said that Bowen looks really good?

    • darklightning
      1 1

      While I’m not disagreeing with your argument regarding Bowen, I do disagree on Hans. He’s unbiased when it comes to Utah and his assessments are almost always spot on – especially when it comes to players’ ability, technique, etc.

      • Duhwayne
        2

        Most of the time I agree with that. There is Technician Hans, and then there’s Page Views Hans. This is Page Views Hans. Just IMO.

        • He seemed very complimentary about Utah’s staff to coach this kid up.  Bowen reminds me of Paul. He has a nose for the play and is very athletic. He does need to hit harder though. 

  • UteThunder
    1

    Bye Weeks

    Our bye weeks could not be spread out better. 

    We play 5 weeks to open the season, with the 4th of those 5 games being against an FCS team, before our first bye in week 6. Then we play 4 games and have another bye in week 11 before playing the final 3 (maybe 4?) games of the regular season. 

    USC, on the other hand, gets essentially one bye week this year (week 6) because their second bye week is the last week of the regular season. If they win the South, this will be a huge advantage for them going into the CCG, but if they don’t . . . that sucks for them.

    Arizona might have the most ideal bye week setup in the conference as they get 3 bye weeks this year. They open the season @ Hawaii on “Week 0” then have a bye during week 1, play Northern Arizona and Texas Tech in weeks 2 and 3, then have their second bye in week 4. They will be the freshest team in the country come week 5. Then they play 6 weeks straight before having their third bye in week 11 before finishing out their final 3 games.

  • UteBacker
    3

    The stars are aligning on so many different levels.  It’s making me nervous.

    • gothamute
      4

      Don’t screw it up… don’t screw it up…

  • PhiladelphiaUte
    4

    Our 2019 schedule did line up very nicely.  But that said, I would have preferred it had we played at Washington on Oct. 12th, and at Oregon St on Nov. 2nd, rather than the other way around.

  • UteBacker
    4

    Britan Covey

    I know the season is a few weeks away, but based on this conversation with Covey I wonder if it wouldn’t be wise to sit him the first three games.  He doesn’t sound super confident about his recovery.  This is only my interpretation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTbIHC4XzfA&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1OuzQnRHggQWqrLwF8_IgSAxXFjSFV4SHAr8odKQ49O627IgS9Nc3z2OY

  • UtMtBiker
    1

    Totally agree and he isn’t built to last afil season anyway. Save him for when it counts.

  • ProudUte
    6 1

    I totally understand where you are coming from and if he isn’t 100% then he should probably sit out.  However, if he is ready to play, he should go.  The BYU game is important for many reasons and a loss would really hurt. 

    • UteBacker

      He’s a smart kid.  I hope he doesn’t try to push it and come back early.  I trust him and the coaches to do the right thing, I just get the feeling that he doesn’t trust that knee yet.  

  • SUUte

    Was thinking the same thing. I don’t think we see him through the first couple games. I’m optimistic but if holding him out reduces the risk of injury, I’m all for it for the games that matter down the stretch.

  • Doesn’t this kid still have a redshirt year available?

    • UtMtBiker

      I believe so, yes.

  • rbmw263
    3

    ive never placed a title bet on any of my teams

    in the current NCAAF/NBA landscape, longshot odds just arent worth it imo. But when I saw Utah open at 100/1 this year it felt like pretty clear value. There are apparently people in vegas (who actually move the needle) that agree, because its down to 75/1. Validation is always nice. Phil Steele thinks 75/1 is still a good value, which he mentions after naming us his playoff darkhorse on espn. I wouldnt be surprised if we end up ~60/1

  • Whenever I think of Vegas and gambling I think of Lewis Black’s joke about Vegas during the Christmas season. 

    I don’t have anything else to add other than I really hope we don’t jinx it. 

  • Warrior Ute
    7

    Pick Six Previews 2019 Season Preview out and it likes the Utes!

    Just to add a little extra umph to the Kool-Aid.

    First off check out the full document.  It is a great deep dive into all 65 power 5 teams.  The cost is $15.  It is a one man labor of love and well worth the money.  They are listed as the most accurate Power 5 predictors in the nation over the last 5 years.

    picksixpreviews.com

    A couple of Highlights:

    – Utes go to playoffs as the 4th ranked team and face Clemson in the first round.  

    – Utah is #1 in Player Development (recruit rating vs NFL draft)

    – Utah is #6 in Win Conversion (recruit ranking vs total wins)

    – The stats he used showed Utah as a top 4 team last October prior to injuries.  He is expecting the Utes to show that again this year and make it to the playoffs.  He thinks an 11-1 or undefeated record makes us beat out Texas for the final spot.

  • UtMtBiker
    3

    Bet ya dollars to doughnuts Utes make the playoff.

  • UteThunder
    5

    Utah Week by Week Scheduling Advantage or Disadvantage

    Week 1 – Disadvantage: @ BYU – We open the season on the road for the first time since we beat Michigan 25-23 in Ann Arbor back in 2008. The Cougars do play @ Tennessee the following week but there is absolutely no chance BYU will be looking ahead to the Volunteers. 

    Week 2 – Advantage: vs NIU – We’re at home and, coming off of a Thursday opener, have two extra days to rest/prep for the Huskies. Only negative is we will be coming off of an emotional and hard fought rivalry game while NIU will be coming off of an FCS tune up against Illinois State. The Huskies do have a tough game the following week @ Nebraska but I think Pac-12 Utah keeps their attention enough to prevent them from looking ahead.  

    Week 3 – Neutral: vs Idaho State – We’re at home but the Bengals will get a couple of extra days to rest/prep for this one as they play on Thursday the previous week and have a week 1 bye. Utah also plays USC the following week and will no doubt be looking ahead to the Trojans. If this were an FBS opponent, I would call it a disadvantage but let’s get real here . . . it’s Idaho freakin’ State.

    Week 4 – Neutral: @ USC – Pac-12 opener on the road, both teams playing on a short week (Sat. to Fri.) but USC will be coming off of a couple of tough games vs Stanford and @ BYU while we are coming off of a glorified scrimmage. The Trojans also have a road game @ Washington to look forward to the following week while Utah gets Washington State. Not sure either team will be looking ahead but if one of them is going to it is most likely USC.

    Week 5 – Advantage: vs Washington State – At home and with an extra day to rest/prep coming off of the Friday game @ USC. The Cougars will be coming off of two tough games @ Houston and vs UCLA. Both the Utes and Cougars go into a bye the following Saturday.

    Week 6 – BYE

    Week 7 – Advantage: @ Oregon State – We’ll be on the road but coming off of a bye while the Beavers will be coming off of back to back games vs Stanford and @ UCLA.

    Week 8 – Advantage: vs ASU – At home with the Devils coming off of a bye followed by a home game vs Washington State and we’re coming off that same bye week and what should be a much easier road game against Oregon State.

    Week 9 – Advantage: vs Cal – At home for the second consecutive week, only our second and final two week home stand of the season. One possible disadvantage is that we get caught looking ahead to Washington the following week.

    Week 10 – Disadvantage: @ Washington – We’re on the road and the Huskies are coming off of a bye. If the Huskies are anywhere close to as good as they were last year, this will be our most difficult game of the season by far.

    Week 11 – BYE

    Week 12 – Advantage: vs UCLA – Both teams will be coming off of their second bye of the season but Utah is at home and the Bruins have back to back rivalry games @ USC and vs Cal following this game. 

    Week 13 – Disadvantage: @ Arizona – The game is in Tucson and the Wildcats will be just two weeks removed from their third bye week of the season (they play week 0 @ Hawaii and then have a bye week 1).

    Week 14 – Advantage: vs Colorado – We’re at home and the Buffs will be coming off of a tough game vs Washington. 

  • UtMtBiker
    4

    Week 1: playing 30 miles from home in stadium half filled with your colors and fans isn’t a disadvantage. Playing a G5 school in your backyard is an advantage.

    • Central Coast Ute
      3

      I have to agree, for a road game, this is an advantage.

  • Tony
    6

    How could playing Idaho State not be an advantage?

    • UteThunder
      1

      The factors surrounding the game would make it a scheduling disadvantage if it were any other opponent. ISU gets extra time to prepare and we are going to be looking ahead to USC. If this were a better FCS opponent, it would be a classic trap game.

      • Tony
        2

        They could prepare forever and it wouldn’t matter.

  • UtesRule
    2

    Game 1 is DEFINITELY an advantage for Utah…RES (Rice Eccles South) is our home away from home!

  • ironman1315
    1

    Judging by history, I would say that Utah has a significant advantage going into LES.

    • TheJuggernaut
      2

      Absolutely, Utah is 9-3 at LES since 1993.

  • UteThunder
    4

    For everyone claiming that playing our season opener in Provo is an advantage, consider the following:

    1) Do we come back from that 20 point deficit if last year’s game was in Provo instead of SLC? I say no. The home crowd played a huge role in us gaining the momentum to come back. We won’t have that in Provo, they will.

    2) Whittingham is 6-2 in season openers vs FBS teams. The two losses were ON THE ROAD where he is 1-2 in season openers.

    3) Whittingham is 10-3 vs BYU. Two of those three losses were ON THE ROAD in Provo where he is 4-2.

    There is absolutely zero advantage for Utah as far as when and where this game is scheduled. In the grand scheme of things, it’s a bit of an overall scheduling advantage because it is one less game we have to leave the state for, but that is where any kind of advantage begins and ends.

    • BattleGroundUte
      1

      Disagree on all points. Utah owns them. 

    • UtMtBiker
      4

      1) Utah is never down 20 if that game isn’t the week before the P12 Championship and we don’t have 87 percent of our offensive production injured including our QB1, RB1, WR1.  

      2) 6-2 is a great road record. The percentage is above the average FBS road win % over the last 10 years.  The only disadvantage is the fact that it is a road game in the first place.  BYU is a mid level G5 team and any P5 team should see this as a scheduling win for a road game on thier schedule.  

      3) Last loss in Provo was nearly 10 years ago.  A lot has changed for Utah in 10 years.  I don’t think a loss 10 and 12 years ago is relevant considering where these programs stand now.  

      • UteThunder
        1

        The 6-2 record is in ALL season openers against FBS teams, both home and away. The road record is 1-2.

        • UtMtBiker

          Oh gotcha. I missread that. Do you consider BYU a more difficult road opener game than the others?

          • UteThunder

            The road openers we’ve had under Kyle were UCLA 2006 (loss), Oregon State 2007 (loss), & Michigan 2008 (win).

            UCLA finished the year 7-6 with a blowout bowl loss against Florida State.

            Oregon State finished the year 9-4 with a bowl win over Maryland.

            Michigan finished the year with a 3-9 record.

            I would say this BYU team is better than that Michigan team and probably on par with that UCLA team but probably not as good as that Oregon State team. I would also say that this Utah team is much better than the 2006 & 2007 Utah teams, possibly better than the 2008 team.

    • Crazyforu
      4

      All fair points, keep in mind the following though.

       

      Utah was missing Moss and Huntely, those two are massive difference makers. I think something like 85% of the offense last year? Also, Utah really didn’t have anything to play for in last years game. Yes, I know that sounds terrible to say as it was the rivalry game. That said though, they already clinched the South, were just trying to not get get hurt going in the P12 Championship game.

       

      Not saying it is an advantage or not, Utah fans should be quite confident going in the Y game though. Whit and crew have everything in front of them, instead of behind them in last years game.

  • Anfernee
    1

    Advantage: @ RICE-ECCLES SOUTH

  • GameForAnyFuss
    4

    Honestly I consider BYU-P to be a scheduling disadvantage no matter when or where we play them. There’s just no upside to that game. None.

  • The team down south 3-9 (.250) in WACistan against us since 1993.  That’s not much of a “homefield advantage” for the zoobs.  Just about the only disadvantage I see in that game is that the indy-WACers want it more.  It’s their “Super Bowl”.  Our guys have shown a desire to just phone it in.  During the 2015 Las Vegas Bowl, they were seen texting on their cell phones on the sidelines, even before the start of the 2nd-Qtr.  They didn’t really get serious about the “whY?” until midway through the 4th.  Last year was the only game since 2012 where we didn’t take a huge lead in the game, then let them initiate a furious comeback before clamping back down to preserve the win.  And of course last year was a disgrace.  We should have done to them in 1st and/or 2nd Qtrs what we inevitably did in the 4th. 

    They just want it more.  That’s their only edge.

    Ours is (1) better talent, and (2) better coaches.

  • Old news? Charles Jones, Jr. heading back home to play for Portland State.

    Yahoo generated a list of the best basketball player to come out of each state

    Who was the one who came from Utah?  It has nothing to do with which college they played for.  They had to be born or grew up in the state.  So, it’s not Bogut, Van Horn or Andre Miller.

     

  • chinngiskhaan

    Bradley

    • ProudUte
      1

      No.  He had a long NBA career and scored over 20,000 points in the NBA.

      Bytheway, Byron Scott was born in Utah, but it wasn’t him.

       

      • gothamute

        Arnie Ferrin?

  • GameForAnyFuss
    4

    Tom Chambers

    • Stone
      1

      Yeah, I gotta go with Chambers. Maybe Jeff Judkins or Fred Roberts are in the discussion. Danny Vranes had a nice career.

    • ProudUte
      4

      Tom Chambers it is. He was born in Ogden. He played HS ball in Colorado. 

    • Tony

      Wasn’t he the leading scorer and/or MVP of the NBA? 

      • UrbanLiar
        4

        All Star Game MVP 1987

  • UtesRule
    1

    I would argue Danny Vranes, who went to a Skyline HS, was an All American at Utah and was on the Olympic team.

    • Tony

      My all-time favorite Utah Basketball player.

  • Tony
    3

    Enjoy it while he’s here. He’s so gone after this season.

  • UteFanatic
    5

    JJ is a stud. He comes across as very driven and intelligent in his interviews. It has always been his goal to become an NFL DB and he has worked very hard to achieve that goal. In an interview last year, he said he chose Utah because he felt it was the best path to the NFL (see, smart!!).

    He never talks crap or displays over the top bravado. He just puts his head down and goes to work, every single game. He has always been very complimentary of Utah and you can tell he has enjoyed being a Ute.

    He is going to have a MONSTER season. Can’t wait.