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  • Ute Fan Board

    Interesting comment from UCLA alum

    Friend of mine is a UCLA alum and booster.  He’s been to a couple games at RES and is always very complimentary of Utah.  He made an interesting comment in a college football discussion on another forum.

    Its always fascinating to me to see thoughts from other fan bases about the Utes, figured I’d share.

     

    Side note: some of my Alumni buddies want us to make a run at Whittingham in anticipation of us firing Mora. IMHO, he’s a solid coach, but the inability to coach/recruit/keep healthy a top notch QB has killed them, and left him with a rather ugly mark on his resume – the only Pac-12 South team to not have won the South, and arguably the team which has most underperformed its talent in the Pac-12 other than us (8 NFL draft picks last year, and as many NFL players as any Pac-12 team other than SC and UCLA – which says a lot about how we’ve underperformed).

  • Ute Bc

    I could see Whitt using UCLA as leverage for more money. I could never see him actually going though.

  • Hellhound152
    4

    That is an interesting point of view. I would think that the better perspective would be “if he can get those guys to the league imagine what he could do with the talent UCLA recruits.”

    However, we all know he ain’t going anywhere.  Whit has not acheived his goals at Utah. 

  • AlohaUte
    3

    arguably the team which has most underperformed its talent in the Pac-12 other than us (8 NFL draft picks last year, and as many NFL players as any Pac-12 team other than SC and UCLA – which says a lot about how we’ve underperformed).

    What? You mean the 2* and 3* talent that he developed. What kind of crazy statement is that? It’s not like Whittingham was pulling in a bunch 5* kids and squandering the talent like Tennessee.

  • justaute

    I’m curious to see how many of our fans ruminate on your buddy’s comments and not merely “react” to it.

    IMO — there are different perspectives and angles. btw…not saying Whit has not made any mistakes.
    – It’s true that Utah is the only South team that has not won a division championship. That said, of all the P12 South schools, IMO, Utah has the least amount of glitz. Yah, yah…we were the BCS buster, but let’s go beyond that.
    – It’s true that Utah has as many NFL picks/players as those other schools; however, how many of our players were skill-players from the offensive side and/or the glory defensive positions (e.g. DE, LB). My point is that Whit has identified and developed a lot of so called 2*/3* players into NFL-caliber talent — most of them are the “uglies” who play in the trenches. Sure, there are a few exceptions like Alex Smith, Smith Sr., Dyson (not that big of a name), and Weddle. Still, few and far in between.
    – Would Utah have accomplished more if the program were able to get many of those 4*/5* players similar to what SC/UCLA/Washington have had? Perhaps.
    – Although Colorado and Utah joined P12 at the same time, Colorado has much more glitzy history than that of Utah. Utah is not exactly on the top, or top 25%, list of many recruits. We’re are starting to attract more, but still not there for now.
    – Whit is a defensive minded coach and, unfortunately, never really did have an offensive guru as OC, at least not someone who stayed and established something. Look what Leach has done at WSU; if I were a top-flight receiver, I would rank WSU above Utah because Leach’s reputation on offense.

    Just a few of my initial thoughts.

  • MotherJabubu

    I agree with the other posters, that’s a pretty backwards way of looking at it. One of Whittinghams strengths is to coach up 3* and JUCO talent to high, even NFL standards. He’s been slowly gaining more and more starting talent as the years go on. All criticism about the offense is well deserved though.

  • Red Don

    Yes, we are the only Pac-12 South team to have not won the division, but we are also the only team that was not P5 prior to joining the Conference, so it’s going to take us longer and I’m ok with that.  The rest he’s probably got a good read on it.  But, with the hire of TT and recent quality QB’s on board and in the que, I think we’re past that.

  • Francis Bernard

    Twitter is abuzz that Bernard has left BYU and will be joing Utah football.

     

    <blockquote class=”twitter-tweet” data-lang=”en”><p lang=”en” dir=”ltr”>He will. Already gone from BYU. <a href=”https://twitter.com/hashtag/Sources?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw”>#Sources</a> <a href=”https://t.co/Pn5Z7RmAbM”>https://t.co/Pn5Z7RmAbM</a></p>&mdash; DC Is Still Open (@yokester74) <a href=”https://twitter.com/yokester74/status/920730103985922049?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw”>October 18, 2017</a></blockquote>

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  •  https://twitter.com/yokester74/status/920730103985922049

    • Larry B

      I hope this is true but it would be very odd timing. He could have transferred before the deadline this year and played next year. If he transfers now won’t he have to sit next year?

      • I think one of the issues that Sitake had with Bernard’s transfer earlier was that he could give too much insight into BYU’s scheme/gameplan against Utah. 

        I remember seeing that for a portion of that Utah v. BYU game, Bernard was on the BYU sideline with a headset on.  I wouldn’t be surprised if Sitake has been trying to get Bernard to stay this entire time by making him feel like part of the team in that way.  But perhaps if Bernard has persisted in his desire to leave the program, Sitake and the AD have finally conceded and will let him out of his BYU obligations.  Then I think he could start next year for Utah.

        I think this is possible because 1) Sitake is a good guy and 2) the Bernard versus the Honor Code office storyline has not gone away and I’ve heard rumblings that it is hurting  BYU’s recruiting.

        • Larry B

          Hmm… I’ll cross my fingers but won’t hold my breath. He would certainly help at LB next year.

      • rbmw263
        1

        If He doesn’t play this year he can play wherever he wants next season

      • UteFanatic

        That was before he saw how big of a dumpster fire BYU is.

  • BattleGroundUte

    • BattleGroundUte

      BYU is British in this photo.  

      • BattleGroundUte
        1

        Or are they supposed to be the EU? IDK needless to say BYU is sinking.  

  • Nice looking new logo on the helmet

    Shiny

  • UtePac-Man
    2

    Finally we have stripes on the red helmet!  Looks sharp!

    • BattleGroundUte

      I hurry and posted this because I wanted to beat anyone else on here….Didn’t even notice the stripes until you pointed that out.   Looks sharp I love it.  

  • ladyinred
    1

    I approve. Moar red.

  • For those of those thinking we can’t win national and pac12 titles

    turn in your fan card. Go ahead, I’ll wait. 

  • Utah
    3

    Ha ha. Who said we can’t win the PAC-12?

    • Hammer
      12

      For those of those of those thinking we can’t be fans unless we constantly talk national championships like zoobie donko, turn in your level headed card. One game at a time. 

  • UteFanatic
    8

    Understanding where your team’s ceiling is has nothing to do with how great of a fan you are.

    For me as a fan, it’s all about incremental progress. Unlike BYU fans, I don’t ever start the season thinking Utah will win a national championship.

    Right now, my expectation is to win the P12 south (not this year obviously). If they achieve that, then I’ll recalibrate my expectations to be a P12 conference championship, and then playoff appearance, and so on and so forth.

    • utahsportsguy
      8

      It implies that you don’t have a great deal of belief in your team.

      • UteFanatic
        2

        We’re the only team in the south that hasn’t won a division title. Why would I believe that we can win a national championship when we can’t even cross the first major milestone? 

        Hope, faith, and belief doesn’t win football games.

        You can still be a fan and be logical. 

        • utahsportsguy
          11

          Excellent point. Perhaps it’s time to start the hunt to find a coach who can get us that elusive South title. 

          • Utah
            1

            Smh. Crazy. 

          • RiseasUtes
            9

            For those that can’t appreciate KW, maybe it’s time for you to turn in your fan card.  Or try having a rational thought.

        • TwoUtes
          2

          We’re also the only team in the south that has been a P5 for less than 10 years. Give it time.

          • UteFanatic

            True. But we’ve had plenty of of opportunities to do so despite our short P5 tenure. 

        • salUTE
          1

          Actually, we are the only team in the South that hasn’t represented the division in the Conference Championship game. We have already won a South Division title in 2015 – when we finished, along with USC, with a 6-3 record atop the division. They won the head-to-head, so they represented the Division in the CC game. 

      • justaute

        Not sure who implied, but you definitely inferred.

        • Utah
          2

          Was this is response to me? If it is, I never even mentioned the PAC-12. We can win the PAC-12. We could have won it many times already. And we are just getting better. 

          Baby steps. We gotta win the south first. 

          • justaute
            2

            No. To OP.

  • IglooDweller
    3

    Dayum, some people are hard to please!

    I reject the notion of a ceiling for this program.

    Impossible? Joining the PAC was impossible. Undefeated seasons were the stuff of dreams. EIGHT draftees and FIFTEEN guys total off of last years team in the NFL?!?!??? IMPOSSIBLE! Nine consecutive years of max+ attendance, impossible.

    This is a rebuild year. It has always been a rebuild year. Everyone knew it. I’m content to watch our program achieve the impossible. I’ll temper my optimism when I’m dead.

  • noneyadb

    Okay PK. Fan cards turned in, should I cheer on ASU, or TD’s now? What have they done in the last 25 yrs? Have they beat Bama? How about a top 5 ranking… 

  • Did Whitt make the right call

    The two conversion was no good, but was it the right call? Cameron, Ryan, and Scott break down the USC game and give you a preview of what to look for as the Utes take on Arizona State this weekend.

     

    Episode 91

  • ladyinred
    6

    I heard Whit put it another way that really drove home why it was the right decision. He said OT is basically a red zone competition, and how has Utah been on the red zone… yeah, going for 2 was the best decision.

    • Hammer

      Good point…my only thought is…if Utah can get a stop or a T.O. in O.T……a field goal wins the overtime. 

      • UM4G

        The flip side to that though is that the defense was really struggling to stop USC all 2nd half, and Gay had missed a relatively short field goal earlier.

  • Utah
    4

    It’s a no brainer, especially seeing how open Carrington was. The two point conversion was 100% the right call and play was 100% the right call. The execution? Terrible. 

    • RiseasUtes
      1

      Agreed.  Good call, QB has to look up when scrambling.

  • oc_ute
    1

    hands down the right call. our offense was enemic in the 2nd half and our defense was gassed. usc had a couple of long long drives in the 2nd half. couple that with our red zone success and it’s a no brainer. the old cliche as well…. go for the win on the road, tie at home.

  • Tony
    1

    In OT you have at least FOUR chances to tie it up or win. By going for two in regulation, we gave ourselves ONE chance. If you are bad in the red zone, four opportunities is better than one.

    • HoosierUte

      And you let your strength (Defense/ST) have a chance to get a stop and win the game for you. 

      • UM4G

        Problem was that the defense struggled all during the second half to get a stop on both the pass and the run, USC was getting chunks of yards almost at will. Also Gay did miss a relatively short field goal earlier, so that wasn’t really a strength either IMO.

    • Utah
      2

      Would you rather have chances from 25 yards out or one from two?

      give me the one every time. 

    • Huh?

      In a 2 point conversion, you have one chance to gain 3 yards (=3 yards per play).
      In overtime, you have three chances to gain 10 yards (=3.33 yards per play).

      And in overtime, assuming you were successful on your first three chances, you have to execute the same scenario at least one more time to actually get to the endzone!

      Going for 2 was 100% the right decision.

  • ironman1315

    It was the right call. Home team wins OT 60% of the time. You win the coin toss you win 60%. Assuming those two things perfectly balance each other Utah at best had a 50-50 chance. At worst like a 25% chance.

    Good call by Whitt.

  • justaute
    5

    Terrific article on Marcus Williams

    I wished Joe Williams would have taken a similar approach in preparing himself for the 49ers camp/pre-season.

    http://www.theadvocate.com/new_orleans/sports/saints/article_66d4fdf6-afc8-11e7-942d-f367bdb5a732.html

     

  • Onlyu
    2

    Thanks for sharing…I have personally never seen anyone get sideline to sideline like Marcus.  Comparing him to a center fielder is dead on…his anticipation and first step is ridiculous.

  • Marcus has been fantastic so far for the Saints, other than the game against NE of course, Brady completely dismantled him and the other young secondary players

  • THEeyepatch
    1

    Interesting ESPN article…

    Where three P5 conference champs get left out of the CFP’s? It’s a real possibility?

    http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/page/RoadtoAtlanta101717/the-college-football-playoff-scenarios-create-most-chaos
  • Utah
    2

    That would be crazy, but we are so far away from that happening. I highly doubt ND goes undefeated.

  • Onlyu
    19

    Huntley/Fitts/Anae

    Tyler ran with the 1’s today.  Did everything with no limitations…no pain.  Doesnt have the normal zip on his throws still but has 3-4 days for that to continue to come.  Not sure if he’s taking it easy or if there is still a little weakness.  He might be the only one to know.  I’d say probable still at 70/30 he plays…maybe 80/20.

    Fitts and Anae both in pads and practiced today which is a good sign…not sure either one is 100% but 6 games in who really is.  Good chance they both play Sat and Fitts should be closer to 100%.  Anae is a warrior.

    No update on Chase tonight…

     

  • THEeyepatch
    1

    Thanks for the update… This may or may not ruffle some people’s feathers but though it’s nice to hear that Fitts was in pads, I just expect Fitts to get injured sometime during the ASU game and that’s if he plays? I’ve given up on him, he’s too damn injury prone. Hopefully I just reversed-jinxed him and he finishes the season in spectacular fashion? We will see? 

    GO UTES!
  • Red Dawn
    1

    ASU is ripe for a letdown. Hopefully they all play, and we put a full game together with no more injuries

  • Tony
    2

    Huntley’s throws were impressive before the injury. I hope that if he does indeed play, he has the zip back. Thanks for the update.

  • Utah5410
    1

    Onlyu. How is carrington ? Is he practicing ? 

    • Tony

      Did we ever find out what injury Carrington had coming into the USC game?

    • Onlyu
      3

      Carrington did not practice today…he didn’t practice last week either and was in a boot most of the week.  It’s a toe injury which is a pain but he’ll be fine to play this week.  He’s getting around fine.  

      • Tony
        1

        So our best two offensive players, 1: may or may not play, 2: may or may not be 100%.  Not awesome.

  • Utahute72

    Turf Toe?

  • Sweetness
    3

    hearing he doesn’t have normal “zip” on the ball brings back nightmares of Jordan Wynn. Awesome to hear he is practicing though. @Onlyu you are a message board god! 

  • leftyjace
    1

    Onlyu, I love you. Thanks for the updates.

  • Utah
    8 5

    For those of you dreaming of national titles in football…

    Stop. I do believe since the BCS was installed, every national title winner has had a top 10 recruiting class in the previous 4 years. 

    So, until we have a top 10 recruiting class a national title is a pipe dream. 

    Enjoy Whitt and his consistency. Odds are, when he leaves we will not have the success we’ve been having. This state is too weird. Whitt knows how to navigate the weirdos and get normal people here. 

    Any thought of replacing Whitt is just dumb. 

  • BattleGroundUte
    1

    I don’t think that has anything to do with it. I believe most rankings are fairly stupid. 

    Do I believe the system is so bent Utah will never win?  Yes. But maybe the Feds will come knocking on these schools soon. Hell maybe even Utah’s door will get a knock. 

    • Utah
      1

      I think it has a lot to do with. 

      Honestly? Luck plays a huge part in it as well. What if Huntley doesn’t get hurt and we are undefeated right now? What if Herbert doesn’t get hurt and Oregon looks great? Didn’t Washington just lose a WR for the year? What if he doesn’t get hurt and Wash is undefeated? 

      So much luck. BUT, you need talent and that comes from recruiting. We just don’t have enough great players to win it all. 

      • BattleGroundUte
        1

        Coaching, luck and health. I don’t consider health to be lucky. Utah’s schedule is just brutal. You talk about this a lot. 9 conference games kills the PAC. I wish it was a requirement. I wish the NCAA was fair.

        Bottom line though it is pretty rare to have top WR or QBs consider Utah. Somehow we have landed a few elite 11 special kids lately though. A few more Bolles types to except frosh would be nice. Maybe it happens I just don’t see it. The big programs have monopolized everything.

        Maybe Utah drops 10k on some transcripts. To say that same s**t doesn’t go on is incredibly naive. Alabama is utter bullshit right now. It is like he has the cheat code on NCAA and is landing all of these nfl ready kids far too consistently. I just don’t buy it no one is that good. Luck helps but when you have counting cards is it really luck??

  • UteFanatic
    4

    I just want to win the damn South! 

    • Not this year. Never going to happen. 2018 sorry looks more realistic. No Darnold no Rosen no Love. Should be a lot easier. 

      • UteFanatic

        I didn’t say I thought we would win this year. I’m just saying, in general, I’ll be happy to see us win the P12 South.

  • IglooDweller
    1

    No

  • Night with the Runnin’ Utes

    Watching this Red-White game I like a lot of what I see. Deep team.

  • Staples

    Lot of athletes out there and they shot it well. I think Johnson is still a question at center but he does battle and rebound. Hopefully it will be a fun season.