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  • Utah Utes Fans

    Walkman
    4

    UW game thoughts

    I always try to remember what Coach Whit stats about the growth that is supposed to happen between game 1 and game 2 but that being said….

    I was suprised and pleased to have dominated the first half of the UW game – we dominated not only the score but the time of possession.

    I was super disappointed that we could not match the intensity and adjustments that the UW team made as they came out to play in that 2nd half.  You could immediately see they changed their tempo to open the half – they had a great opening drive which finised in a score.  We on the other hand begin a series on uninspired drives that end in turnovers and or no points.

    No matter how you spin it we don’t score in the half, we lose a winable game where we can’t make adjustments and get lose

    Super disappointing but not suprising considering we didn’t make adjustments or score in the 2nd half of the SC game either.

  • Trailgoat

    Indeed. Overlooked is the first half success was as much about UW a sleep at the wheel in the first half. Had UW played a full game I am afraid this would have been a blow out loss. Utah turnovers, failed 4th down conversion, and no half time adjustments did in the Utes in the 2nd half.

  • Charlie
    1

    Question is which half if the best predictor for either team? I do believe we are not yet a good enough team to roll on despite TOs. I do see encouraging things from new players. In the past, even our best players were not consistent in their first games especially as true freshmen. I hope to see us settle in before we are all done this year. Now with Oregon State knocking off Oregon, we can expect a game we need to fight for 4 quarters.

  • UtMtBiker
    3

    Didn’t really need any adjustments. Don’t throw stupid interceptions, punt on 4th down, dont fumble in the red zone and it’s a 10 win at worst.

  • pedro
    1

    I know everyone is going to bash me for the excuse, but that inability to adjust could very well be the youth.  When you come in getting everything taught to you, your tendancy is to supress your instincts.  Just saying

  • 123punt
    6

    Perspective

    Like everyone, I was disappointed by the 2nd half.  The turnovers were brutal.  Some of the positions are clearly below the rest of the team.  I get the frustration a lot of you are feeling and I am and have been right there with you (I swore after traveling to the Notre Dame game I would never watch the Utes again lol). 

    I’m not sure any of us were sure what our expectations were coming into the season.  But, naturally after last year’s high of nearly cracking the rose bowl, it’s easy for us to still be disappointed.

    While we all want to see our team excel, I think there are a lot of factors to keep in mind.  We lost A TON of talent and experience last year.  Some of the weaknesses that plagued us last year still look to be work in progress (O-line).  We’ve already lost our starting QB to injury.  Additionally, this season brings a strange set of circumstances with limited practices, uncertain schedules and lack of being able to game-plan, position group depletion due to COVID, etc.

    That said, the team is showing it has potential.  I’m excited by the raw talent.  The first half of the UW game gave us a glimpse what this team is capable of.  We may not put all the pieces together this year, maybe not even next year.  But, I like the trajectory we’re on.  I’m going to try and be more supportive of the coaches and players.  This has certainly been a challenging year for them.  Does that excuse everything?  No.  But I’m going to be a bit more patient and trust in their continual improvement and overall trajectory.

    I appreciate the time and dedication everyone on the team puts in.  It’s great to finally feel like football season is here and we can actually watch them play.  Hopefully they’re able to play their remaining games and the team continues to improve.  Either way, I’m going to enjoy it and keep cheering them on.  GO UTES!

  • UteBacker
    4

    Great post, 123.  I think the level of disappointment is in direct correlation to the expectation of this year’s team.  There are a few of us on here that think we are going to struggle considering how many of of our guys from last year are now on NFL rosters.  I think it’ll be 2022 before we see the next great Ute team.  There are some on here that have the expectation that Utah will simply reload and be good to go.  I don’t think our program is quite to that level (yet).  By the way, there is no wrong or right on the expectation thing.  Maybe I should have a higher expectation of this program, but I’ve been a fan for way too long to think the Utes should be able beat SC and Washington in our first two games during a rebuild.  It does kind of p**s me off that we couldn’t score 4 points in a half of football though…

    • MDUte
      4

      Great posts 123 and Backer. It might not be a popular opinion amongst fans but I’ve always felt that this year is basically a throw away season due to Covid. And so I have always thought this crazy pandemic year was a benefit to us since expectations aren’t high like they were last year and we can get our youngsters experience when it really doesn’t matter (I’m sure many will disagree with this sentiment)…just my opinion. But this would give us a better chance to be solid in 2021 and look towards another “special” season in 2022 as Backer mentioned. I totally agree that we aren’t at the level yet where we can simply “reload” and expect similar results year in and year out. That’s reserved for teams that consistently finish in the Top 10 of recruiting classes…not sure if we could ever get to that level, but it would be amazing if we continue the trajectory towards a Top 20 class year in and year out. Our coaching staff has been doing great work to continue improving our recruiting YoY and push us into the Top 30. That still means we’ve got to continue developing guys and building towards “special” seasons. If you would’ve told me even 5 years ago that we’d be landing dudes like Jaylon Johnson, Clark Philips III, and now Ethan Calvert, I wouldn’t have believed it. I for one don’t want to forget how far we’ve come in such a short period of time. It is a great day to be a Ute fan and the best is still yet to come….go Utes!!

  • ProudUte
    5

    I would have been livid Saturday night if it wasn’t 2020…

    What a horrible second half.  Three turnovers, sloppy play on both sides of the ball.  Oh well, I am not going to let anything about this season bother me too badly.  We were the last D1 team to play football and it shows.

    What I hope to get out of this season:

    – Game time experience for our very young team.

    – Improvement at key positions where we are now weak.

    – Gain some confidence in the weeks to come.

    This year is a near disaster in many ways.  I have written off this college football season and look forward to next year.  We are young and I see potential in a variety of players, especially Jordan.

    Go Utes!!!

     

  • UteBacker
    2

    Nailed it.

  • chinngiskhaan
    1 24

    As much as I’m ok that we are 0-2, I’m upset about

    The fact that we were clearly taken for a ride by Ute coaches and insiders (yes, that includes the apparently sometimes very very wrong Onlyu).

    we were lead to believe we had two great qb options. I gotta believe if the contest was really as close as they all claimed, rising is clearly not much better than Bentley… and Bentley is the most turnover happy player I have maybe ever seen. He’s… not good, which means rising is probably one of the worst Pac12 starting quarterbacks if healthy.

    we were similarly lied to re our offensive line. 

  • Hammer
    13

    Bro, the coaches and insiders can tell you what they see in practice, they cannot tell you how players will perform against USC and UW, having not played a game previously, had their practices wrecked by Covid, meanwhile USC and UW have played multiple GAMES! The fact that Utah was up 21-0 in the first half against UW and Bentley was looking like a good QB destroys part of your argument. The O-line dominating in the first half of UW destroys part of your argument. 
    Consider the lilies of the goddamn field.

  • Crazyforu
    8

    I also think there is a lot of information that isn’t in the public, that Kyle purposely keeps inside the 4 walls of the football facility.

     

    Injuries, Corona, there are a lot of reasons why you haven’t heard about who and why they are being held out, Kyle doesn’t make excuses. I think we all agree that we want to see better QB play, I am sure there are a lot of reasons for it though. Same goes for the O-line play.

     

    Those of us that aren’t in the facility daily, have literally no idea what takes place. I remember Domo mentioning a couple years ago about the 2015? season, and how much went on behind the scenes that was never made public. OnlyU has been the absolute best resource on here, I have zero frustrations with anything he has posted. 

     

    Fans are quick to point fingers, without really knowing the bulk of the story.

    • Hammer
      7

      OnlyU has been the best. A moron might s**t on him and then later realize, after he stops posting, what a dumb decision that was. 

      • The problem I have with those who were really high on Bentley is that they had the audacity to say the throw game would improve because Huntley was somehow holding it back…..ummm, no. 

        Anyone who said the throw game would be better this year with Bentley/Rising needs to step up and apologize to Tyler Huntley. 

        So be a fan of Bentley or Rising, just don’t say they’re better than Huntley who was 19/24 285 yards, 1 TD, 0 INTS against Washington last year. Huntley also had a less experienced O-line that game, I might add, last year was the rebuilding year for the OLine, this year they are supposedly built.  

        Huntley has more talent in his bowel movement than any of our current QBs  

        https://youtu.be/UvjQew0gGBg

  • GameForAnyFuss
    15

    Just a reminder: Ute insiders (including OnlyU) don’t owe you – or us – anything. They don’t owe you truth, light, information, or knowledge.

    Your post smacks of entitlement. And you have no one to blame but yourself if you believe what anonymous people are posting online.

    Finally, if you’re not careful, bulls**t posts like this one will drive insiders away just like it did back in the day on Utefans and then we’ll be left completely in the dark. But maybe that’s what you want…

    • Yeah it’s kinda weird cunalinguskhaan doesn’t have this negative tone on UF.N, I suspect he’s an imposter trying to drive the insiders this board has over to the other board. 

      • Trailgoat
        5

        That site is still operational? Place went down hill following the orginal creators passing, RIP WebMonkey.

        • RIP Webmonkey.

          Utefans.net will never be the same without Webmonkey but the new owners/operators do a great job and it’s growing. Has its own style now, very civil discussions.

      • Tony
        1

        That’s an interesting theory. 

    • chinngiskhaan
      6

      So just to be clear… I shouldn’t believe what anonymous posters say on the internet because only an idiot would do that… but at the same time, I need to keep my mouth shut so the anonymous internet guy doesn’t get offended and stop posting (even though no intelligent person would ever believe him anyway)?

      If we aren’t supposed to believe what they say, then what is the purpose of having them around?

      • There are some inconsistencies in logic, this is true. 

        I think people want OnlyU around because he does have insider info on what’s going on. 

      • GameForAnyFuss
        4

        Look, it’s not that difficult. I would rather have inside info that’s only 75% right than no inside info at all.

        The way you’re clutching your handbag when something doesn’t pan out the way OnlyU said is obnoxious. He’s not a Starbucks barista that you get to go all Karen on when he doesn’t get your order perfect.

  • Tony
    7

    There has been some good QB play.  That pass to the left corner of the end zone was money.  We can’t expect good QB play until the offensive line improves their play. 

  • Charlie
    8

    It’s football. Not everything goes your way. Not everything goes as expected. If you can’t take the disappointment of a couple of losses while standing there watching others work hard, you really should find something else to do. I recommend checkers, if still not winning enough, find younger opponents. The explanations will be beyond your understanding.

    • chinngiskhaan
      1

      Goodness guys, a little reading comprehension goes a long way. I specifically said that I’m fine with the team being 0-2. If you read my last post you would know that I think this team has a bright future.

      • You started out that way but then you finished s**tting on the team, coaches and insiders. Plus your behavior in chat during the USC game kinda negates your opening sentence

  • AZUTE
    5

    I’ve talked to a few people I trust and they all said the QB competition was not that close. Rising was clearly the better QB. Everything from camp was just Coach speak to keep this quite like Whit wants it.

    Bentley can make some plays. The throw to BT for the TD was a thing of beauty but he missed some open receivers not going threw his progressions.

    He just needs to be a game manager and stop the turnovers.

    The running game was having its way with Washington. The fumble by Jordan and the failed QB sneak were absolute killers as I think both drives would have ended with points.

    The OL can run block and that’s about it.

    • Trailgoat
      1

      Agree AZUTE. Convert on 4th down no fumble, this thread would not exist. I do not agree with KW being all secretive about naming the starter like it makes a difference in preparation for the opposing team. Come out with it and show everyone that you’re confident in your guy at QB. Kids love the media hype. Especially this year, being coy about announcing the decision seems silly. Obviously did not change anything for USC when Bentley. OLine still could block and the WR could not get open.

    • mfaulk80
      2

      Even with the ‘coach speak’, Whitt also said that the decision was unanimous among the coaches.  He also said that the QB was chosen based on accuracy and decision making.  With basically no spring ball and Bentley having just transferred here, they had to give him a few weeks to show his stuff….especially given his experience.  I’m not surprised at all to hear that the QB competition wasn’t as closed as it was said to have been…

  • Trailgoat
    3

    A bit of head scratcher considering all the pre-season hype. In fairness to Rising, he has yet to play enough to gauge his ability. The transfer portal, similar to JC transfers is somewhat of a crap shoot. Let’s not forget Rising and Bentley left their previous programs because they were not the top QB. Bentley’s performance at Utah is not far off from his Jekyll and Hyde results at SC.

    Utah has not been able to recruit and retain talented H.S. QBs. Huntley has been the only H.S. QB to start and finish at Utah in almost 10 years. Other short term contributing players were either transfers or lower level QBs that came and went. I think a lot of this routes back to the instability at OC over KWs career. IF Ludwig sticks around for the long haul as he states, we need to give him time to weather the fall out from years of OC turnover and dial in his system and players.

    The concern with QB right now is Rising being out hurt with a long term throwing arm shoulder injury (if what is true about his condition). He will be out a long time after surgery combined with months of rehab, no throwing, and no real time team practice. Basically he starts over next Fall at the earliest. Again, going off what is said about his condition.

    This leaves Bentley as a one and done next Fall with Costelli coming in as a true Frosh. We’ll hear a bunch of non-committal BS from Whittingham next summer about the QB position. Pull the trigger early and go with your guy. Lesson learned, if KW waits until kick-off to name his QB, there is a confidence problem at QB. Best case scenario is Bentley settles in and eliminates the bad gun-slinging decisions. Go Utes!

    • UteBacker
      3

      Let’s not forget that the knock on Bentley from day one (and validated by those close to the South Carolina program) is that he will look like John Elway one moment and Jake Heaps the next.  I think we’re seeing that play out.

      My biggest fear is that Oregon has given everyone the blueprint on how to beat Utah.  We’re not a threat for the deep ball which makes it MUCH easier to scheme against us.  You load the box and make us beat you with the throw, which we can’t, and probably won’t be able to as long as our offensive philosophy is so conservative.  

      We win a lot of games with our current offensive philosophy as well, so it’s hard.  I just think the turnovers have been the story of the first two games.  You’re not going to beat SC & Wash with a -3 TO margin.

      • Trailgoat
        2

        Agree UB. I think it started with Colorado as well. Utah’s deep passes in the UC game occurred when Huntley broke out of pressure dumping it off to ZM or the big heave to Kuithe. Texas, USC, and UW followed suit with better athletes to ramp up the pass rush and lock down the WRs.

        I presume OS will try the same. Utah’s WRs get ZERO respect from the athletic teams. Combined with poor pass blocking, the Ute QBs do not have time to get a pass off outside of 15 yards down the field. Losing Dixon hurts. Ennis and Thompson are great WRs, but are not a deep threat against the top teams.

    • 10 years? Let’s not forget Travis Wilson.

      • Trailgoat

        Travis graduated H.S. 2011. Crazy, seems like yesterday. Unless I am missing someone, Huntley (a Dennis Erickson recuit) and Travis Wilson the only two rated QBs to sign and play their full career at Utah out of H.S. in the past 10 years. Not counting the guys that never played or Lisk (no disrespect to Lisk, kids probably going to end up coaching an NFL team someday)

        • You are correct about Wilson and Huntley. Unless there is another back up in there that we’re not thinking of, but as far as starters go, it’s those two. 10 years ago the QB was Jordan Wynn. A rated HS QB, with talent, but his body couldn’t hold up. Between he and Wilson was Hays, JC transfer acted as place holder. After Wilson was William’s, another place holder for a year. In the last 10 years the Utes have started 3 HS rated QB’s and 3 transfers, if you count Rising this year. The bulk of the time was used up by Wilson and Huntley. I just don’t agree that the Utes are always going after transfers for QB’s. Just the way I see it.

  • Yergensen
    1

    Did you look at Bentley’s stats or just assume that 30+ SEC games’ experience equated with greatness? There was a huge sample size for Bentley.  He averaged 1 pick per game and his completion rate had dropped each year at SC with his last year down around 60%. One look at his stats should have prepped you for this.

    In fairness to him, he is and will be better than the last 2 games as he and the offense get more time together. This isn’t all on him, but unless Ludwig can get him to the next level like he did with Huntley, Bentley is what he has been all along.

  • Utah5410

    I love ONLYU post. He’s pretty spot on. I would he’s say 90-95 percent accurate on his post… Im done with people apologizing for Harding. People can down vote or come at me. But every year, I feel this guy gets a pass. Every year it’s the same thing. I understand the O-Line had a covid outbreak. But what was the excuse last year when UO and Texas were giving it to us. Or USC. Remember the USC game last year ?? Its just the same story every year no matter who our guys are. We’ve had some very good O-lineman. So now we are playing three freshman. thats great for the future, it also tells me the guys we had before either weren’t that good or not coached up. Both of those things are on Harding.

  • Charlie
    4

    Lot’s of discussion about the last 10 years but Ludwig is only responsible for 1 full recruiting year so far. So far he has done about as well as expected giving us QB options. If you can do better, contact Whitt. We don’t need to revisit OCs from the past.

    We have not had 10 full years in the Pac yet but have been moving ahead of typical and reasonable expectations for someone coming from the G5. Currently we do just fine in the bottom 2/3 of the P5 but we still struggle with the top 20 of the P5. So do another 45 teams in the P5. I suggest we and the 45 P5 teams behind us should not melt down and just enjoy the ride. This is not as if 45 P5 teams should clean house every year until they win a conference championship. We are getting close, enjoy the ride because only a few teams, not us, are sitting around with the thought that there is not something to improve.

    If you have been here several decades, even without a CC, most Ute fans see the glass half full and a long long way from where we were in the 70s and 80s. I get it, finishing the year and starting the next year with 2 losses a piece is hard but not the end of the world.

    • Exactly Charlie. The cupboards are not bare. Jordan, Ritchie, Mark’s, Fotu, Carlton, Filinger, Phillips all look damn good. I’m sure I missed a couple names too.

  • Utes 69
    12

    Offense

    Whit sucks, Ludwig sucks, Bently sucks 28 points in 8 quarters. one turnover every fourth possion. 

     

    where is Nacua? Covey? Fotheringham? Enis, Vele, 

  • Hammer
    1

    Just to clarify, 38 points in two games. 19 ppg.

    ESPN Utah team stats

    • Tony
      8

      We need to score 30 points per game.  We also need to score in the 2nd half of a game. 

      • Hammer

        Thanks Captain Obvious, I kid. Also, we gifted them momentum and points with turnovers. At about the 10:15 mark in the 3rd quarter with Utah up 21-7, Bentley targets Covey and throws a pick that gets returned basically to the UW red zone. This is a an enormous mementum swing for UW. 

    • I think he was saying the offense scored 28 points in 8 quarters. Which is still wrong, it’s 31.

  • Utesbyfive
    3

    We should be playing Montana State in our second game, not UW. Raw talent and experience showed out in both our games so far. We have a young team without a good QB apparently.

  • Tony
    3

    Oregon State Time and TV Coverage Announced

    8:30PM on ESPN. Pac-12 after dark. Expect weirdness.

  • Utesbyfive
    3

    2020 is ALL weirdness.

  • EagleMountainUte
    2
    • Utesbyfive
      1

      You mean we might stand a chance?

      • Utah opened at -9. I think we have a lot more than a chance

        • Utesbyfive
          1

          Oregon thought that too.

          • Oregon did stand a chance, plus Oregon was over rated. Utah isn’t.

      • Tony
        2

        We won’t stand a chance if we keep turning it over at the current pace.