• Next byu – Sat 11/24 8pm – FS1
  • Pac-12 South Champions!

    ProudUte

    Worst fall season ever for USC?

    Is this the worst fall season ever for USC?  Consider this:

    – Losing record and will not go to a bowl game

    – Lost to your rival when they had only won two games previously

    – The Rams are dominating the NFL and have now caught the attention of the LA fans.  USC may no longer be LA’s football team.  I think many LA football fans are turning to the Rams and or Chargers.

    Add to this the many coaching changes in recent years, NCAA probation and I think USC football is in big trouble IMO.  I don’t think this is a good thing for the conference or the Utes.  It helps to have marquee teams in your conference.  USC still has a big name, but they are a long way away from where they were in 2004.

  • Brichaute49
    2

    My fear though is they are a sleeping giant. With all of their talent and the right coach they could be right back in it. 

    • Utah
      1

      USC is never “down”. All it takes is a Whittingham and they are back to never losing. 

       

      • jamarcus24
        3

        To play devil’s advocate, I don’t know if it’s a Whittingham-type that would get USC back to their consistent winning ways.  I think it takes a coach with questionable ethics and a disregard for protocol.  You know, a really likable guy that will give you everything he’s got and then up and bounce on you when he gets found out.

      • programs like usc are loaded with talent.  you need a coach that can manage the talent.  whitt is not that type of coach.  he’s merrits are to coach up the paucity of talent and make them play like they are 4/5 star atheletes.  

  • everyone says helton is on his way out, but i don’t necessary think it’s a done deal.  he has a 15 million dollar buyout.  i think swaan is the bigger issue here.  he is inept and not a qualified ad to run a program like usc; he’s just an ABC sideline reporter.  even if helton stays, usc can rise and be competetive.  it’s not like helton did all that bad.

    • Utah
      2

      Yeah, he just won a PAC-12 title and Rose Bowl. 

  • IglooDweller
    1

    The conference needs two things. First, it needs USC to be USC. Second, it needs to stop favoring the LA market and let the competition happen on the field. Those two things and the rest will take care of itself. 

    • Have we ever thought of a paradign shift happening?  Maybe, this division champion is the first of many to come?  That in a few years we can actually compete perennially.  This is how a powerhouse emerges.   I’m just saying…

      • Never happen but it would be nice. 

        • IglooDweller

          I think it could. Oklahoma came from somewhere, they didn’t just appear. Alabama isn’t a large market team. I don’t think it’s out of the question. 

          • Remember Oklahoma State use to be a truck stop before Les took over.   Of course they have Boone money.  But yeah, to your point….program rises and program falls.  

            • You know why Utah won’t be like USC? USC doesn’t put it’s interests below the rest of the conference ever. Utah has demonstrated that they will take it on the chin for the conference. Look at this season as a whole Larry Scott and the P12 are laughing and lying. 

  • X723

    If Kyle went there I would say 50 to 60 end up leaving — Will not work for there playing time……………..

    • I 100% agree.  You have athletes that think they should play because they are an ESPN100.   Whitt doesn’t give a crap about that.  He wants you to run the Xs and Os.  Total conflict…

      • Pace Manyung

        What? this makes no sense.  almost EVERY player on USC is a 4-5 star. They have no “rudy’s” and never will.

        Anyone who plays at USC know they will need to battle against the nations best to win playing time. Sure, players leave the USC program because of playing time but they are typically replaced with another 5 star talent.

          

        • Yeah it is a different mentality. Whitt would make them all earn it. 

        • I think you missed my point.  It’s not about competing with another 4/5 star player.  It’s about listening to Coach Whitt and running your routes, assignment, etc….most importantly, practice well.    We all know that Whitt won’t play you predicated soley on athleticism.

          • Simply put, many of the players on USC’s roster have a sense of entitlement and don’t want to put in the work to earn their spot. Much of it comes from years of being told how good they are, that they’ll play in the NFL, parents moving them to teams/schools if they aren’t automatically given the #1 spot, etc.

            Hence the term University of Spoiled Children

            It takes a certain kind of coach to get players like that to buy into the team first mentality. Nick Saban and Urban Meyer are a couple of the good ones.

          • Pace Manyung
            3

            I really don’t think players dictate the culture at USC.  Again, they have too many Top rated players coming in EVERY year to put up with any nonsense.

            Not running the correct route? No problem, put in the other *5 star reciever.. problem solved.

             

            • IglooDweller

              They were playing soft even before the losing streak (that we started them on).  There has to be a reason for that. 

  • Utah5410

    Brian Thompson

    Need some feedback. He’s now played two games. With the title game and bowl game coming that makes 4. If he plays Saturday he will lose his redshirt year and basically would have p**sed away a season. Do you think Whitt sits him ? 

  • IglooDweller

    Post season has never counted toward redshirt in the past. Has that changed?

    • Utah

      I think it has. What I’ve seen is four games total. So he’d have to sit a game this season. 

      • Utah
        4

        What I’d do is play him vs BYU-P and if he doesn’t do much, sit him in the title game. If he blows up vs TDS, play him in the title game. 

        If he blows up both games, then ask him what he wants to do for the bowl game. 

        • IglooDweller
          1

          Play him. He’s got three more years. Play him. Give him the option and he’ll want to play. Let him. Throw to him. Play him. 

  • Hammer
    1

    If he’s one of our best 4-5 receivers, he should play, for sure. 

  • Onlyu
    19

    I don’t believe we’ll see him this weekend. The other two games are more important in the grand scheme of things so this is the game to have him miss.

    • That contradicts statements you made earlier today to the media Coach…..🤨😉

      • Onlyu
        15

        Lol…you’re right but it was decided a few weeks ago if we won the South.

        He played last year so would only have 2 years left if he played in all 3.  This is the one to miss.  

        The kids are excited to play in this game but make no mistake they are definitely looking forward to the Pac12 Championship game…regardless of what anyone says to the media.  They’ll come out ready and our starters will play as long as it takes to win.  No one is worried about an injury…can’t play that way.  

        Whit gave his annual speech yesterday…”we don’t lose to those guys” so we’ll be ready.

        Go Utes!

  • Puget Ute
    7

    Every single player on the team would blow a redahirt to play in the Rose Bowl. 

    • BattleGroundUte
      1

      I have a joke but I won’t say it. 

      • UTUTE

        Blow his….redshirt😁

    • BattleGroundUte
      2

      Oh what the hell you don’t want to know what I would blow to see Utah play in the Rose Bowl. 

      • Brichaute49

        I may be wrong but I don’t think a bowl game counts towards that. We have seen players play in bowl games before that we didn’t see during the year. 

        • bopahull

          I believe that The new redshirt rule is 4 games including post season. 

  • ProudUte
    1

    How about Brumfield?  I think he has now played in 4 games.  Is he done for the season?

  • PlainsUte

    I hope the team doesn’t get so involved in gaming the red-shirt rules that they miss out on the services of some great athletes.   If he’s contributing already, play him and don’t worry about “burning” the red shirt.   Burning a red shirt would be playing him for one or two series in 5 games.   There are still 3 more years to play him and its “next man up” to give all to get to the Rose Bowl – and try to win it!

  • concerned

    Has Thompson been a factor at all?

  • Interesting article Seattle times

    https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw-husky-football/pac-12-power-rankings-week-12-whos-on-top-it-all-comes-down-to-the-apple-cup/?amp=1

    They talked about the questionable calls in the Wazzu game ignoring the ones the week before. 

    sweetgrass

    Alex Smith 6 to 8 month recovery

    No ligament damage but significant bone damage, broke both fibula and tibia

  • IglooDweller
    6 1

    He’s made over $200mm. Time to hang ‘em up Alex. 

    • RiseasUtes
      3

      Plus he is a smart guy and talks smooth.  Get him in the booth and he will be very entertaining and full of information.  

    • Hellhound152
      6

      A. Smith has so much more to give than as an analyst.  Would not be surprised to see him running a hedge fund or teaching econ at a University in the near future.  He could do anything he wants in or outside of football.  What a tremendous example for young people.

  • GameForAnyFuss
    4

    “Alex? Yeah, coach Whittingham here! Really sorry about the leg…have you given any thought to what you’re going to do after your playing days are over?  How about a return to your alma mater? I’m sure I can find a spot for you…”

  • Puget Ute

    I feel awful about Alex. He had so much more to play for.  But doesn’t he have $75M guaranteed remaining on his contract? He can go around doing good things for the rest of his life.  

    I agree he would make a great analyst or motivational speaker.

    • IglooDweller
      1

      Senator Smith. Ambassador Smith. 
      Come back to Utah and rock the establishment. Shake it up. The “Greg Hugheses” of this state have had free reign for far too long. Break the wheel Alex.

  • Warrior Ute
    2

    Vettix.org has usually given away tickets to the PAC 12 championship

    They aren’t posted yet this year, but I expect to see them in a couple of days.  If you are a veteran or a first responder you can sign up and get tickets to local events.  It may take a while to get verified so sign up now.  If you use a referral link you get extra coins (used to put in for drawings for  tickets).  Use my link below.  I don’t need extra coins so if you sign up please post your link below mine and others use that one so others can get the extra coins.

     

    Vettix

     

  • Warrior Ute

    The seats are random you never know what you will get. I got tickets to the Foster Farms Bowl 2 years ago the Utes won.  They were on the 45 lower bowl row 22.  Tickets to the Stanford game this year were last row in lower bowl in the endzone.

  • I am going with my buddies and would probably do this but it says my family only. So I will just do the walk up to the ticket gate before the game thing. Thanks for this update though I will remember it. 

    • Warrior Ute

      Worth checking out and signing up if you are eligible. I am half way between San Francisco and Sacramento so there are tons of things happening, but I have been to multiple games and concerts with my family. 

  • ProudUte
    22

    Best South champ ever …

    Jon Wilner, a reporter for The Mercury News, reasoned Monday that this year’s South champ is likely the best of all other South winners since the conference started. Looking at the past winners’ path to claiming the division title, Wilner found that Utah had the most challenging cross-divisional schedule.

    “Seeking context on Utah’s accomplishment, the Hotline examined the paths traveled by the seven previous South winners and found the Utes can credibly claim to have faced the most challenging cross-division schedule,” Wilner wrote.

  • jamarcus24
    1

    This dude confuses me.  He dogs Utah and our fans a lot yet he hypes the football team just a shot much.  His schtick puzzled me.

    • stonguse
      2

      Ute fans have this small conference mentality that leads to a lot of people getting mad whenever a reporter writes something negative. The reason for this is we used to have to fight for table scraps for recognition. We needed to claw our way into BCS games. We don’t have to do that anymore.

  • Utah

    He admires the coaches and program, but a certain subset of BYU/Utah fans…he could do without. 

  • IglooDweller
    1

    People under the guise of Ute fans say the rudest things to him just because he voices sometimes unpopular or controversial opinions. I don’t really follow him that closely, but the things I have read from him have been pretty good.  I think he gives every team a pretty fair, objective opinion.

  • SkinyUte
    1

    His AP ballots are typically nuts, especially with regards to Utah. His last ballot had us at 23, and he makes some consistently wacky picks.

    • utefansince79

      At some point there was (may still be) a site that micro-analyzes all the teams and voters, among other things, breaks down what voters deviated the most from the average ranking for teams and Wilner is usually the voter with the most extreme votes for the most teams and it isn’t even close. 

      • IglooDweller

        I don’t know about his votes but his commentary is usually pretty good. 

    • stonguse
      1

      And in 2015, he had us at #2 before we collapsed. He doesn’t have an axe to grind.

  • Tony
    2

    I would read the post, but I need an electron microscope and I’m fresh out.

  • Warrior Ute
    2

    I don’t get that he thinks we are the best South champion. In fact he says that would be USC in 2017. 

    He started that we had the most difficult path.  The 4 North conference teams we played were the top 4 in n the North.  Only one other team had to deal with that.  In addition we lost our starting QB and RB for November.  He argued that our accomplishment is the most impressive.

  • Hellhound152

    Wilner has come around.  When we first entered the league he was the “not competitive for a decade and no Rose Bowl for 25 years if ever” guy.  

  • Tacoma Ute
    1

    You lost me at “Wilner”.

     

  • W16Ute
    3

    Just watched last years BYU game…

    Battleground posted a link and I couldn’t remember a thing about last years game. Things I noticed:

    Bad snaps/hand offs: low snaps, bad communication between Tyler and RBs

    Penalties: almost 3x more penalty yards than BYU

    Above all though… That offense looked nothing like what I’m seeing from the team now. May as well have been a different OC. That was a run Tyler first mentality. RB or throwing were an afterthought. This year’s team is way more balanced with running attack from RB first and QB when open. Throw to everywhere on the field with 7 or 8 quality targets.

    Interesting to see the changes. Makes me feel pretty at ease for Saturday. (Though I understand that BYU team was just the worst)

  • Carrington was the only weapon. Utah has so many passing weapons and hard covers with athletic TEs. 

    • utefansince79
      4

      Utah’s offense (even without Tyler and Zach) is miles ahead of last year and the defense is even stronger than last season.

       

  • jamarcus24

    And we still dominated them in every single statistical category except the scoreboard, where we couldn’t finish drives in the red zone.

    I really think the game looks a lot like the CU game.  It’ll be tough to run early, we may give up a few plays here and there, but we’ll soften them up through the air and keep leaning on them as the game goes on.  As long as we don’t let their QB keep drives alive with his feet the Utes run away with this one.

  • SkinyUte
    1

    Remember that was also Huntley’s first DI road start as well. He was still figuring it out.

  • javadave
    1 1

    #BenchStarters

  • BattleGroundUte
    1

    Shelley is A LOT better than 2017 Huntley. Rewatched it again. This game shouldn’t even be close at all. Also the overturned first TD was not a pick the DB sold it but Wilson just tried to run is route. 

  • BattleGroundUte
    3

    Whitt should have kicked for points on that failed fourth and one. 22-6 three scores and it is over. Huntley and or Moss had so many problems on which way to go. The low snads haven’t been a problem this season. Shelley is way more calm and poised. I think Utah gets to 35-42 points.

    • UtMtBiker
      1

      For sure! That was one of his poorer decisions in recent memory.  There aren’t a lot to choose from but I think that one had some ego involved and wasn’t very smart.  

      • I guess you could argue that it was two scores. But 16 points for TDS seemed like a lot to overcome so endzone 4 times?  Yeah right. 

  • ProudUte
    4

    Direct quote from Gordon Monson

    “Utah is by far, by far the superior program and that’s not breaking news.”

    Interesting coming from Gordo.

    He also said that he had not heard from one BYU fan that they were going to win.

     

  • IglooDweller
    4

    They’re not going to win. They don’t have a single player who would see the field at Utah, let alone start. Not one. Their starting safety gave up football because he was 8th string at Utah. 

    • Tony
      5

      Sounds like a Barry Switzer quote. 

      • IglooDweller
        1

        From the Sugar Bowl. I remember. 😄

  • BattleGroundUte
    1

    A blind donkey eventually finds the mare or something vulgar like that. 

  • SoUtahUte
    1

    “Utah is by far, by far the superior program and that’s not breaking news.”

    Interesting coming from Gordo.

    He also said that he had not heard from one BYU fan that they were going to win.

     

    My response…

  • Anyone just driving to the stadium and getting tickets there?

    I am floating the idea with buddies now. 

  • Brichaute49

    You mean Levis stadium?  They have never filled it yet for a PAC 12 championship game. 

    • BattleGroundUte
      1

      Yeah I want fairly good tickets wondering where Ute fans will be sitting. Wife just gave the go ahead. I am going!!

  • IglooDweller

    That’s what I’m going to do.

    • Where you planning to sit?

      • IglooDweller
        2

        Don’t know yet. I was thinking of buying a ticket at the gate and migrate to the best seat I can find. 

  • Hellhound152
    2

    Like I told you a couple of weeks ago BGU this is the best course of action.  This what I have done with friends multiple times and it works great.

    • leftyjace
      1

      Excellent. Not driving, but not buying a ticket until day of at the stadium. Glad to receive affirmation. 

  • PlainsUte
    3

    Matt Gay Pac-12 Special Teams PoW

    Nothing new here, just his 4th of the year:

    Pac-12 Players of the Week – Week 12

  • AlohaUte

    The GOAT

    • gothamute

      I loved Louie and Andy but Matt is hands down the all-time Ute kicker I would want to take a kick with anything on the line

  • Red Dawn
    3

    That 51 yarder in the snow was 100% to get him paid at the next level. Another one for the highlight reel

  • NarfUte
    1

    Yet he’s not a finalist for the Groza this year…

    Here are the kids who are:

    http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/3145491/cole-tracy

    http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4258620/andre-szmyt

    http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4048735/cooper-rothe

     

    http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4249087/matt-gay

    The only one “better” is the kicker from Syracuse. Looks like Matt was nocked for the early season misses…

     

    • Misses or lack of blocking. What ever

      • NarfUte

        Yeah, those misses weren’t on him but show up in the stats. It’s surprising and unfortunate

        • It’s like drops and tipped INTs showing up on the QB or rushing yards on sacks.