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Itacoatiara22
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Common Themes This Off-season with TDS

Pretty interesting listening to some of these guys.  Many are hoping and counting on injuries playing a big part.  I have been told more than once that Moss will never be the same player after his injury last year.  I also saw a comment hoping that Covey wouldn’t be ready to play week 1.

As always, the PAC12 sucks and nobody is good in the entire conference in their minds.  Utah is undeserving of any recognition they are receiving this off-season.  Just found it to be pretty interesting.  I really hate them.

  • BattleGroundUte
    3

  • Ute Bc
    13

    That fan base is so deranged. They say the PAC-12 is weak and then they say how brutal their schedules are becoming by playing PAC 12 teams.

    They 1 – 1 against UMass – let that sink in.

    • PlainsUte
      10

      Logic has never been their strong suit down there.

  • Duhwayne
    3

    This is their whole season. They can not go bowling and be happy if they win their first game. Who is little brother?

    We need to get through this with a win, and healthy. They won’t help our SOS at all. To wit:

    https://www.cougarboard.com/board/message.html?id=21946356

    You never know what happens with them. They could get streaky against a down USC too.

    • Puget Ute
      4

      USU very likely will makw ir 3 straight against them this year. Little brother, indeed.

      • BattleGroundUte
        3

        Not even little brother. Weird kid down the block who gets a lot of nosebleeds and tells a lot of stories to get friends. 

  • Duhwayne

    The BYU Homeschooled Kids. Not everyone I know who went to BYU acts homeschooled, but the few homeschooled people I encounter in my life went to BYU…

  • AlaskanUte
    1

    Self awareness and humility is definitely not anyone’s strong suit down there. And correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t they starting the hype a little early this year?

    • Typically, the hype starts right away down there. They’re always pre-season national champs and guaranteeing an end to the Utes winning streak by February.

  • Grimmetal
    2

    I see the CB interface still reflects their mindset… stuck in the past.

    How does anyone extensively navigate that site without jumping off a bridge?

  • Trailgoat
    6 10

    Can KW break down some of the barriers?

    I am not drinking the KA just yet. Having Moss and Huntley back is a major positive. There is amazing talent coming back on defense. To win a P12 Championship, Utah needs smart QB play and some sort of miracle improvement at WR. Utah football program is getting a lot of national hype right now. The returning talent and high expectations does not change the coaching barriers that have plagued this team under KW.

    Same old road blocks Utes need to overcome to win a P12 Championship:

    Petersen: KW is a good coach, not a great coach. History shows KW gets out coached against top coaches. Petersen has owned KW back to the MWC days when they were both Coordinators. Same story as head coaches. Can KW demonstrate he is one of the elite coaches?

    WRs: Not sure why Holliday is still coaching at Utah, more to it I’m sure only from a fan’s point of view? The WR talent is MWC/WAC at best. WR recruiting has been awful. The Nacua soap opera and the non-qualifier kid were the only meaningful recuits that did not pan out. Good teams man-up and shut down Utah WRs. Not good at blocking either. Watch the UW games. Who has improved and who are the new guys stepping in?

    Hunter vs. Hunted: Part of the good head coach thing. Great head coaches get their teams to play at their best under high expectations. Utes under KW flounder when expectations are high. Only a fan’s perspective of course, seems there is some sort of a mental block with KW playing as a winning program when the pressure is on. Depending on the BYU outcome, beating USC and UW on the road will tell us a lot?.

    2-3 WTF losses: Under KW, Utes are good for at least 2-3 a year regardless of the talent. Last year, ASU, almost BYU and NIU (don’t tell me you weren’t worried until the Hansen TD), NW. UW and WSU, outcoached. 

    OC Turnover: probably the root of a lot of the problems above. Talented offensive players are not going to sign-up for a program with the OC turnover Utah has been going through. Who knows if Ludwig will be around next year? Full circle, Ludwig was truly the last OC that consistenly showed offensive production. 

    I know a few thumbs down are on the way. A lot of great things happening with Ute football, pointing out some of the frustrating things over the years holding the program back. Curious to see if KW can cure some of these demons with all the hype and expectations this year. Utah football has made some huge improvements getting some big national hype this season. Can KW take this team to the next level? This is a big measurement year with all of the high expectations defining KWs next level legacy until he retires.

    Go Utes!

     

  • mfaulk80
    6 3

    KW is a great coach…not an elite coach.  Petersen is an elite coach.  

    I think you can blame the WR issue on the OC turnover (and lack of passing game) as much as Holliday…if not more.  It’s hard to say….for me anyway.

    I’d argue that KW only had one real WTF loss last year.  We were limping at the end of the year, and I’m not surprised we lost those games at all.  WSU was great season last year.  I don’t see how that is a WTF loss.  BYU and NIU were not our best games….but we won.  I’m not sure why you mention them in the WTF loss paragraph.  That leaves ASU.  On the other hand, we do have plenty of WTF moments/quarters.  Most teams probably do.  We obviously need to be better, and limiting these WTF moments is going to be critical for the season.  

    While we’ve had a lot more OC turnover than average…the average isn’t as long as many think.  I can’t remember where I read it, but I believe the average is under 2.5 years.  It’s obviously not ideal, and every year is ridiculous…but most recruts should know going in that they’re unlikely to finish with the same OC at any school.   I’m cautiously optimistic about Ludwig 2.0…but we’ll see.  

    Recruiting great QBs and WRs is a big issue…but the real answer to that is to continue to win.  This is an important year.  

    Our slow start to most seasons is also a big concern.  We need to come firing out of the gate.  If we start strong this year, then I’m optimistic that the year will be special (barring injuries).

    As I said above, we need to limit our WTF moments.  I don’t usually blame the coaching directly for most of those WTF moments (though there are occasions), but having a SR quarterback should help.  Leadership and experience usually help, and I’m optimistic that the team can limit poor decisions, etc.

    We’ll see.  Building a great team takes time, and seasons are never going to go perfect.  I’d argue that this is one of the most important seasons in Utah football though.  If we can have a season reminscent of 2004/2008, then I think this can push us to the next level (especially in regards to recruiting).  If we fall on our face, then we’ll need to re-evaluate things.  I’m cautiously optimistic. 

  • BD
    8

    I am not convinced the WR recruiting has been bad. Look at Bryan Thompson, a 3*/4* recruit and Solomon Enis a solid 4* recruit. Both are recent recruits with impressive offer lists. They are young, and haven’t had their breakout seasons yet, but I am expecting that this year. If they don’t end up being excellent receivers, then the problem is somewhere else, but not in recruiting.

    • Utesbyfive
      2

      I believe in Enis.

  • Charlie
    11

    I think some don’t realize how hard it is to get to the top of a P5 conference, particularly when you are new to that level. I think the list of schools that moved to that level and win it all is short? I think there are many P5 teams that would very much like to be in Utah’s position. Sure there is more to go but there is no reason be disappointed currently. As bad as it is, I don’t think Petersen simply expects to own Utah next year. I don’t expect that other teams expect to shutdown our WRs. Most observers expect Ludwig to be successful. Lots of things need to go right, but there is reason to look forward to next season. Oregon may turn out to be the biggest test. Possibly the other coaches have their own demons other than Petersen, likely he is hoping one does not show up.

    • PlainsUte
      1

      Exactly, everyone one wants to get there including several other programs with a lot more football legacy, geographical advantages and/or money.

  • noneyadb
    9 3

    Holliday is the reason why Enis, Thompson, and Covey are here. Holliday isn’t he problem. Covey considered not coming back to Utah after Roderick was let go.

    The reason why Utah hasn’t progressed is because of the same oline coach for the last 5 years. Utah QB’s have zero pass protection and struggle to get timing down. Utah will go as far as the o-line allows them, but it’s the same story every year with Harding.  Of course some on here will have the comeback… NFL, blah, blah, blah… but who is at the bottom of the league in throw game, sacks, pressures, hurries, and TFL’s allowed every year? Yep, Utah. It all starts with the big uglies upfront and how much time they can give their QB.  Harding will either earn his check or be in the hotseat by seasons end.

    • PlainsUte
      3

      NFL, blah, blah, blah.

      Seems to me Harding is doing a great job developing Utes for the NFL. If maybe the ohfense was more like the NFL, maybe the ohfense would do better. I think having a more old-school ohfensive coordinater is going to halp the Utes.

  • pedro
    14 1

    My counter

    Kyle has done more, for a mid-level program than any other coach in the country during his tenure.  That’s right, i stated that were were mid-level.  Because we were.  We are still consistently out recruited, which I do not blame on the staff and I will elaborate more on this later, and yet almost every year we are in the running for the conference championship.  Only three coaches in the PAC 12 have outperformed Kyle and that’s counting one who left, failed miserably and is back trying to build what he had before.  The only coach that has stayed and out performed him in the last 10 years…..  Stanfords.  

    Holiday.  He’s been at Utah three full seasons now.  EVERY year he’s been here our recieving recruit rankings have increased.  Likewise, with once exception, our receivers have improved.  People look at catches and yards.  While that is part of it, you also have to look are rushing yards.  EVERY sucessful run play is sucessful due to WR’s who put their ego aside, make the right read and block for their teammates.  WE DID NOT SEE THIS from 08 to 15.  It should also be noted that the MANY QB injuries we experienced over the past three years also make WR’s lives a lot harder.  

    Whit definatley has dropped some high level games when expectations were high.  But then find me ONE, just one that hasn’t?  Then find me those that have an undefeated years on their resume.  Then find me one who consistently gets his team to out perform their ‘ranked’ talent leve.  All of a sudden that list is exptremlt small.  yet Ute fans can’t see that and expect a NC every year.  Boggles my mind.  

    Finally the constant complaints on the OC and WR coaching in general.  We all know the history.  We all believe there have been mistakes.  However, how can we continue to complain when Whit has done everything in his power to bring in the best coaches and to find solutions to the problem.  If a guy isn’t cutting it, you have to cut him.  If a guys take a HC job, you can’t stop him.  If a guy is a cancer, you have to cut him.  This certainly isn’t ideal.  But IMHO, with the exception of the BJ hire which was a bad move, Whit has done everything possible to find the right guy.  People say ‘well he needs to go outside of his coaching circle’.  That just shows how ignorant fans truly are.  When you have coached in some capacity for 30+ years, most of the available coaches out there will have some connection to you.  Furthermore, chemistry plays a much bigger role in championships than talent.  Knowing and trusting those you work with is vital.  

    Obviously there are two camps on Whit and he has frustrated me at times as well.  But when you consider that:  We are in Utah, which makes recruiting harder due to the stigma of Utah being an all white state, mormons, alcohol laws, etc.  We only moved to a big boy conference a few years back and the new conference is one of the, if not the most explosive offensive league in the country.  I think we have and are doing fine.  Do I expect more improvement, yes.  Do I expect set backs now and again, yes.  One team, ONE wins the NC every year.  To do that takes incredible talent, incredible luck, extremely healthy players (also luck to some degree), great depth AND a great coaching staff.  That is a lot of variables and only some of that can be controlled.  If we keep pushing for the PAC championship (which we very easily could have won last year if one or two plays would have turned out different) I will be content with Whit.  If that changes, then we’ll have a different discussion on our hands.  Until then I wish Utah fans would be a little more realistic.  15 years ago we would have all shat ourselves at a shot to win and Pac championship.  Now we want to fire the coach because he got us in the running but we never have won it.  Think about that (and I know he didn’t advocate that, but a few have)

     

  • Stone
    3

    I think one thing that many fans forget is that there are a bunch of other schools (many more well funded than Utah) that also want to play in the playoffs and win national titles. Naturally, we want Utah to go undefeated and win a national title, but it’s not like every other team is sitting on its fannies, content with a bowl game. 

    Since 2000, there have been have been only 17 teams that have finished a season undefeated. Two of those 17 were seasons by Utah. The only other schools with 2 undefeated seasons in that timeframe are Ohio State, Auburn, and Boise State.* My point being simply that Whit and Utah have had some amazing seasons (granted, Whit was only an assistant in 2004). I want more undefeated seasons, I want an invite to the college football championship, and I want a Rose Bowl. But I am also really happy with Utah’s performance over the last 2 decades and am excited about the trajectory of the program.

    *There are obviously strength of schedule issues, but one can also counter that argument by noting that teams in the BCS conferences had better funding, facilities, and players. The point being, Utah and Boise State, although not playing a BCS schedule, were essentially competing against a level playing field in their conference schedules in terms of resources. So while those particular teams may not have gone undefeated against BCS competition, they also did not have the advantages of being in the BCS. Put another way, we do not say Clemson’s undefeated season is unimpressive merely because they would get slaughtered by an NFL team. Although the difference between non-BCS and BCS was not as great as BCS to NFL, the point is merely that they are on different levels and should be applauded for what they did at their level.

    • BattleGroundUte

      The gap is increasing with differences between P5 and G5. And even more so the difference between SEC and P5.

      It was interesting to see UConn’s recent move in abandoning football basically to focus on what they are good at. I also like to note many of these programs are operating at a negative budget wise while Utah is a profitable program. 

  • rbmw263
    9

    whether a team lives up to it or not, hype is not real. Hype is just hype

    i think our fans are putting a lot of unnecessary (mostly subconscious) pressure on the team talking rose bowl 10+ win expectations. “this team is going to do this/that”

    This team can be so damn good. But we still need a lot of things to go our way to hit those levels and some of it is out of their hands (injuries, timing, and the shape of a football not being round and bouncing weird)

    It would legitimately surprised me more if this team missed a bowl game than if they made the CFP, but im preparing myself for all outcomes in between and hoping to watch a special season play out. Dont gas them up just to turn on them at the first sign of trouble. Building them up that high just means they have to fall if they dont hit those expectations and i think the hype has gotten way over the top within our fanbase. says me the anxious fan

  • whitlessham
    2 6

    Anyone who has followed the kwhitt offensive rodeo the past 10 years know that the “throw game” is always a giant question mark. This Fall will be no different.

    History is not a friend of kwhitt when it comes to the “throw game” and without it – the Utes will need help/luck to get to 10 wins   

    • Redblood
      3

      Whitlessham, everyone needs a little help to get to 10 wins. You’re acting like it should just happen and the only thing to prevent it is stupidity.

      That attitude makes a little more sense for the team down south. We should respect the game more than that IMO.

  • KillaKam801
    7

    I would actually say the fall already happened when we lost to Washington last year in the championship on a weird play that led to a loss. Before that interception for 6, the Utes were holding strong. That was the fall in my opinion, we’ve now been challenged and need to bounce back this season. I do understand there will be injuries and that anything can happen but with our squad this year I see a 10+ win season and if not, I being an extreme Utes fan will always ride that train through good times and bad. Let’s go smelling roses this year. GO UTES!!!

    • whitlessham
      1 4

      If Washinton was the fall – what was the NW game?…total implosion

      • ironman1315
        6

        It was the best day of your life since November 28, 2009.

        • sweetgrass
          2

          come on now, his school is also world reknown in men’s clogging

  • BattleGroundUte
    6

    Seems boring to prepare yourself for losses. I mean by all means if that is what makes it more enjoyable for you. I understand all of those things and I can adjust my expectations on the fly. I am only invested as much as a fan can be. 

    The devestation these players feel with a loss is always worst than anything we may feel. 

    • Chidojuan
      4 1

      Yup.  The way I see it, we can compete with any team in CFB.  Teams like Alabama, Clemson, and Georgia may beat us 99 times out of 100, but there is still a chance to beat them, and that’s why you play the game.  It sucks when we lose, it’s hard for me to not feel depressed for a chunk of the week after because I’ve invested myself in this team, but I never go into a game with realistic expectations, just fanatical ones, and that’s why it’s fun.  I’m not going to temper anything.

    • sweetgrass
      5

      I’m going in with expectations Utah will go 12-0, and then when if they lose, my expectations will adjust to 11-1 and so on …

      This is supposed to be fun and unrealistic and I’ll love them whether they go 15-0 or 0-12

      • BattleGroundUte
        1

        I really believe if we have a healthy Huntley and Moss that really the sky is the limit. 

  • UtMtBiker

    Every national championship team ever had high expectations and pressure coming into the season. It’s just how it is. Keeping expectations low only hurts a team. The pressure is good. If the team responds like champions do, great. If they crumble, they weren’t champions at heart.

  • uteboi
    2

    4 Utes on Sports Illustrated Top 100 College Football Players

    They haven’t announced the top 10 yet, but there shouldn’t be any Utes in it. 

    #88 Zack Moss

    #77 Leki Fotu

    #51 Jaylon Johnson

    #22 Bradlee Anae

    #’s 11-25

    #’s 51-100

  • COFfrom83

    it will be interesting to see where they end up at the end of the season, or what their draft numbers are.

  • whitlessham
    8 2

    Jaylon Johnson

    How in the world did Ute coaches convince Jaylon Johson to play at Utah?  Whatever was said must be used as the script at landing difference makers.

    Honestly, I’d like to know the backstory on  what mad him chose Utah.

    He was a top rated player from CA. (4*  .9650 and the 81st ranked player in the country) – that’s almost always a non starter for Utah

    He wasa  highly sought after black high school athlete – typically that’s a big fat no for Utah  

    He is not conncted to Utah or mormonism – nope, forget about it

     

     

    Again, whatever Ute coaches said or did must be studied and replicated.   

     

     

  • Grimmetal
    3 1

    Whatever it was, he’s also put in the work to become a top NFL Draft prospect. I have a feeling he’s out after this year, especially with a first round pick grade.

  • Utah5410
    6

    Two words – Shah and NFL. Kid is very smart both on the field and off. He’s already graduated. And is working on masters. He did his homework and looked past the stigmatism that Utah gets and looked at the facts. How utah with far less talent develops secondary guys into the NFL. As far as development I think Utah is one of if not the best university to get some ready for the NFL.

  • Central Coast Ute
    5

    From what I understand, and this is probably 5th hand information so take it for what’s it’s worth, but it makes sense to me. He was looking to go to the NFL ASAP. USC was his first choice in a school. Utah came in and told him look, we send DB’s to the NFL. come here and play right away (at SC he was probably going to redshirt). Play for us for three years and go to the NFL. He did his homework and made the right decision. Utah was a quick and sure path to the NFL. He had a goal and a good goal at that and he made the right decision to achieve that goal as quickly as possible.

  • Your optimism is infectious.  I bet you are great at parties.

  • ProudUte
    3

    Can we become a national championship contender?

    I believe we can (in time).

    Look at Nebraska that won 3 championships in the 90s.  They are located in Lincoln Nebraska.  Not hardly an attractive place for young men to live, party, have fun, etc.  Yet, Nebraska under Osborne ended up in the top ten for like 20 straight seasons.  They were in a power conference and we were not in those days.

    Look at Oklahoma.  Also, not an attractive place to live with killer tornadoes on top of everything else.  Yet, they seem to make the final four quite often.  Why? Tradition, facilities, coaches, etc.

    We could not have become a championship contender prior to joining the PAC12.  Now it is possible IMO.  Are we there yet?  No, as the post below indicates – our recruiting is not close to where it needs to be.  Utah needs to become a location where young superstars want to come and play.  The University and the area have a lot to offer and I think with the right coaching, facilities, etc. the Utes can build up the tradition needed to become a player on the national scene.

    Just my two cents.

  • Tony
    7

    This season is our best chance, as slim as that might be.

    • UteThunder
      7

      Our best chance . . . so far.

    • ProudUte
      5

      It is our best chance so far.  I think we have enough to end up playing in the Rose Bowl and being ranked in the top ten.  I do not think we have the offense to be in the final four.

      • UtMtBiker

        I agree. We can be damn good but I don’t see Huntley as a champion level QB. Pretty damn good but made some really dumb, costly mistakes in his 3rd year. I don’t know many that have improved that much from year 3 to 4.

        Not a popular opinion but it’s the truth.

      • Utesbyfive

        A Rose Bowl would be a dream.

        The Rose is a CFP semi-final site next year, so this is the year to take it.

  • Dwight89
    6

    I’m a firm believer any team in a P-5 conference can become a national title contender, its just reallllly hard. You have to build a tradition of winning over a decade or so and then start convincing blue chip kids to take a hard look at you. It’s a battle on two fronts. 

    I’m definitely not a believer in this idea that SLC is any harder of a location to recruit to then Eugene, Ann Arbor, or Columbus. 

    • BattleGroundUte
      6 1

      I agree with this to. I don’t buy the destination BS of partying and stuff is appealing to these kids. Alabama sounds like a miserable place to live. I view the south as mostly miserable because humidity sucks. 

      Whittingham recruits and has a certain appeal for certain players needs or wants . Most of these kids mention a family type atmosphere. Saban recruits the best because he wins A LOT!  

      It is almost comparable to the Jazz. Snyder and what he has built brings an appeal to a certain type of player. It isn’t going to get the Durant’s or Lebrons of the nba to come here. Mitchell seems genuine in saying he likes Utah.   But getting a player of his caliber was luck. It is extremely rare to draft that late a player who is so exceptional. Retaining him will be interesting. 

  • dystopiamembrane
    2 2

    We can’t become a national championship contender until USC gets better.

    • Puget Ute
      1

      Absolutely. All of the top conference teams will need to make noise and win their OOC games for Utah to get into the cfp picture.

  • chinngiskhaan
    3

    If/when Whitt keeps the team on an upward trajectory, and he retires with the program in a better place than it is in now, we will be in good shape.

    What needs to happen is a continued string of good/great/amazing coaching hires. So far, we have had 3 of those in a row. Mcbride was the right hire for that time, and he got the program to a steady place, then Urban showed us what we could be, and Kyle has done a solid job of improving the depth and reputation of the team throughout his stint as HC. When he is gone, we just need to make the next great hire. Scalley may just be that guy, I’m not sure.

    If fully expect Whitt to retire having made it to the playoff one time. If that happens his last year, and we hire the right guy, either that guy will get us there, or the next one will.

  • Charlie
    3

    What is needed is to finish as a one loss team and the conference needs to have another top 12 team. A one loss team will almost always make it unless there are no other good teams in the league. The ACC can pull that off but not the Pac. It is not easy but doable to win the CCG after a season with only 1 loss. When it happens, the team will have a very good QB, RB, DL, and DBs. If Huntley moves into the category of very good, we have a chance. The OL needs to only be good enough to not hurt us. This team goes as far as our QB goes assuming no critical injuries.

    • homer
      2 1

      Special teams are critical for Utes. Next season’s kick game concerns me.

  • Utah5410
    1 1

    I have zero concern for any area next year. Except special teams. Very concerned about our kicking situation.

  • Dwight89
    9

    Yeah the reality is it will be highly unlikely we ever truly compete for a Natty unless we turn into a blue chip recruiting program. It’s part of what sucks about CFB, there isn’t parity. 

    • EastCoastUte
      1

      unfortunately, i agree with this^

    • whitlessham
      3

      Agreed, Utah winning the Natty would be like winning the lottery.  Buuut, I believe the program (under the correct leadership) could get to a position were Rose Bowl is the goal every year.

      It starts with getting a top 20 recruiting class on the reg.  this article might help those who don’t believe in recruiting https://www.blocku.com/2019/7/10/20688615/university-utah-utes-football-ncaa-national-playoff-contender    

      • noneyadb
        2

        Utah marketing team needs to change the myth and awkwardness surrounding the state of Utah. Switching to Jordan or Nike apparel, bring the kid back that was making the preseason hype videos, and start making being “A Ute” the popular thing is a beginning.

        Competing against Brigham and continuing the rivalry with Brigham will only continue that Mormon Utah view.

        • Hellhound152

          Agreed on the video’s.  I was almost wondering if the University hired McKay Pett.  One day all of his highlight video’s were gone and the highlight packages from the school got much, much, better.

  • ironman1315
    11

    interview with JB

  • UtahFanSir
    6

    On point…well said. Love the focus.

  • Grimmetal
    7

    Quiet focus. I love it. Playing their sound bytes in the weight room? They talk, we work.

    • BattleGroundUte
      5

      The laugh after that statement. Very very telling. They consider it a joke that tds thinks their equal with them. They probably laugh their ass off at tds’s obsession

  • BD
    9

    Interesting that the team has noticed that BYU has been talking. I know OnlyU mentioned it – so the staff knows it. And Blackmon here mentions it.

    I love it. BYU players and fans talking is the worst thing for them. It increases the “chip on the shoulder” for the Utes. Stupidest thing for BYU to be talking and have the Utes take notice. Stupid. Stupid. It only increases the motivation for the Utes and increases the Utes advantage.

  • Ma'ake Kava
    8

    As soon as I saw those quotes from Provo, I knew they were going to be turned into motivational material.

    Blackmon’s take is *exactly* what Whit & Scalley were thinking.

    Football culture & leadership starts at the top, then to the coordinators, the position coaches, and then into player leadership. The best teams are where player leadership takes the mantle.

    The truth is we played like crap the last 3 games. We have unfinished business.

    Blackmon is right – it’s one game at a time, and we have a different path than they do.

    But it just so happens the next game up is them again, in Provo, next month. The players all know we didn’t show up the last time we played them, and they took it to us, up 27-7. We can’t let that happen again.

    No shortage of motivation and effort, this summer. That’s a great sign.

    • PhiladelphiaUte

      I hadn’t seen those cougie quotes yet.  What were they saying THIS time?  I’m that it’s hilariously delusional.

      • GameForAnyFuss

        I haven’t seen them all either. I do know the BYU-P QB said no defense can stop them and he expects to score on every drive the entire season.

      • It was their media day. It seemed like all they could talk about was Utah. I’m sure it’s on YouTube or something.

  • Fans and most likely USC won’t know how good Utah is until week four….?

    Agree or disagree with that.

    TDS is fools gold people. NIU has zero offense and well whoever the third week opponent is I don’t worry much. 

  • UteThunder
    11 1

    I kind of agree, but there are two scenarios which will tell me a lot about how good Utah is after game one.

    If we blow BYU’s doors off instead of winning a nail-biter, then I would say we have a pretty good team.

    If we lose to BYU . . . well, that will tell me we aren’t good enough to win the Pac-12 Championship.

    • FtheY
      2

      I also think there’s a third scenario, in which we show up poorly out of the gate due to first game jitters and a new offense. Then progress and turn into a pretty good football team by seasons end. Let’s hope this isn’t the case and that we don’t lose to TDS. 

    • ProudUte
      4

      I agree with UteThunder.

      Also, USC plays BYU before they play us.  There will be some comparisons made by both teams.  The BYU game may tell us more than some think.

       

    • BattleGroundUte
      1

      Yes losing to any of these will tell us a lot. I am operating on an assumption that there is no way Utah loses to any of those teams. Margin of victory can be so misleading as well. 

  • Dwight89
    2

    disagree. We figured out real quick last year that we had some offensive struggles when we barely beat Northern Illinois. I’m sure something will happen in either the BYU game or the Northern Illinois game that will give us some sort of indication.

     

    On the other hand…the year we drubbed BYU 54-10 didn’t we end up going 5-7? So, who knows. 

    • Central Coast Ute
      3

      If I’m not mistaken, the 54-10 year was the year Utah nearly won the south but lost to Colorado on the last game of the year to give the south title to fucla.

      • BattleGroundUte

        Correct. USC was ineligible and Utah needed a kicker. I also believe Wolfman was injured for that game.  He then returned for the Sun bowl.
        https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/utah/2011-schedule.html

  • UteBrook
    3 1

    Frontrunner-Bus-TDS?

    Do our tickets to the TDS game include Frontrunner and UTA bus service to the game? Has anyone done this? Does it save a ton of time? If not, where is the easiest place to park/escape from after #9?

  • chinngiskhaan
    1

    Front runner doesn’t go anywhere near LES. You would have to take a bus from the front runner station, and the bus is not very frequent.

    If you park by brick oven or the practice facility and head south when you leave you will avoid the non freeway traffic for the most part.

    • tedward
      2

      Actually, the new UTA express bus goes from the UVU Frontrunner stop to LES. It runs every 10-15 minutes, and is pretty smooth. I have no idea how croweded it would be on game day, or how late the train runs that night, but the route is pretty easy on non-game days. I don’t know whether your ticket works as your fare (I doubt it does).

  • UtMtBiker

    It’s just awful in general. Best plan offs to drink a few celebratory beverages in any p lit near by and wait it out. Good luck.

  • ProudUte
    1

    Some of my BYU friends say the Frontrunner is the only way to go.  They park at a station in SLC and take the train to the game.  They tell me that this is much less stressful getting out of there post game.

     

    • chinngiskhaan

      If you do decide to take the bus from the frontrunner station at UVU, it will likely be 99.5% Utah fans taking either one. People in Provo IE BYU fans don’t believe in taking the bus. Provo spent a crapton of money fixing up roads to include a bus lane that goes from the important places in Orem to various spots in Provo, and very few people use it… and I’m pretty sure it’s free from certain places. They would rather drive, park 15 minutes away, walk, and be stuck in traffic on the way back.

      Seriously though, if you do drive to the game, park near Brick Oven or the practice facility. I’ve been to 50+ BYU games (long story) and parking there we almost never had to deal with more than a minute or two of traffic (until you hit the freeway of course… so yeah, do fruntrunner if you can swing it).

      • GameForAnyFuss
        10 3

        Well, yeah, of course fans of BYU-P would rather drive and sit in traffic instead of taking the faster, cheaper, more environmentally friendly option. I mean, isn’t that the whole reason why you buy a GMC Yukon in the first place – so you can sit there idling in traffic, burning 2 gallons of gas per minute, the brood eating PB&Js in the back 4 rows while “Frozen” plays on the overhead screen? It’s the ultimate Utah County dream.

        • whitlessham
          3

          lol – This is Pulitzer prize worthy

           

        • BattleGroundUte

          I think that is everyone in the west.  California with its snarled traffic. Utah is fast approaching that level as well where it is totally f**king pointless to go anywhere on a normal weekday between 4-7 pm. 

        • Chidojuan

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