RIP #22

PAC12 Basketball Bracket

  • TexUte
    5

    Hope they can start the tourney as we did the season by beating u-dub. Also so nice to see no U of Pay in this year. Sean Miller is a POS. Go Utes.

  • bopahull
    4

    This includes game times and channels

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  • Tony
    3

    The good news is UW is bad. 

  • CincyUte

    Oh man, how I love the Pac-12 basketball tournament!  Really missed it last year.

    • utefansince79
      1

      Utah is good enough to beat anyone in the conference on a day we play well, but can play bad enough to lose to anyone too.    Will take a run of 4 good games in a row to win the tourney and get to the big dance.  Not sure we can do that. Just in the last few games, we saw our best ball against Arizona State and USC, but some of our worst ball against Oregon State.

      Just have to take it one game at a time starting with the Huskies on Wednesday.

       

      • CincyUte

        Utah may be a lowly 7-seed, but stranger things have happened.

        In fact, when it comes to college basketball in March, stranger things happen on a regular basis. 

        GO UTES !!!

  • Larry B
    2

    Sounds like Puka is in the portal.

    I’d bet he and his brother end up in Provo.

  • Ghost of the HEB
    5 2

    Losing BT to ASU and Samson to BYU-P.

    Good riddance, Holliday.

  • ProudUte
    1 1
    • Tednab
      5

      Well we need some depth at WR .. he’d be an upgrade over his brother … sucks we’re not gonna get him

  • EagleMountainUte
    13

    It sucks to lose Samson. I do think back to the Christensen year when the phrase “all in or in the way…” Something along those lines became the motivational phrase.
    I think it holds true now. You are in the way if you are not 100% committed to the goal of other teammates.

    If they join TDS should we even care? Basically that is talent that gets wasted anyways. Isn’t going to be the edge that results in a victory against Utah. I look at this as mostly positive. Trimming the fat so to speak and Puka is no longer in the way at Washington.

  • KelVarnsen
    11

    The irony. Sampson was proud his brother got to play at a “big time” school. Now they will both go waste away in Provo. 

    • Trailgoat
      7

      IIRC they have an older brother/relative that played at BYU? Only thing I recall is he had a memorable ESPN highlight on the sidelines of one particular game. 

  • X723
    2

    Where has tds have that much room on the roster for this

  • Crow
    2

    I bet they don’t. They are leaving teams that don’t have an established QBs to show the scouts what they are capable of they need a team with an experienced QB. That’s not byu, why go there if the QB can’t get you the ball and improve your draft stock.

  • CincyUte
    14

    I was up at the University yesterday . . .

    First of all, everytime I visit the campus it seems like they’ve built another new building.  So crazy how much it’s changed over the last 10-20 years.

    I made a point to walk past the fieldhouse along South Campus Drive.  Of course, I’ve seen videos and pictures of the stadium construction, but I wanted to try and catch a glimpse of the new additions through the north endzone portals. 

    The view from there is limited and I wasn’t able to see too much.  But it’s certainly coming along and has really changed the look of the stadium as a whole.  I just keep imagining how it’s going to feel on Sept. 2nd as I walk out through the portal and see the completed bowl full of fans.  It’s gonna be unbelievable.

  • CB_Ute
    4

    It would be a joke if by Sept the Pac12/Governor don’t allow full capacity at RES

    • CincyUte
      5

      That’s true.  I’m making the assumption that a full capacity crowd will be allowed by then.  If not, then watching Utah play Weber State on a Thursday night in front of 18,000 fans would be the most anti-climatic season-opener ever.

      • UtesRule
        3

        Except for last seasons opener to ZERO fans.

    • Trailgoat
      4

      Unfortunately the California schools will likely dicate the P12 plan. Utah will bend the knee with a new President coming in and Harlan the people pleaser. Again, I hope I am completely wrong and the RES is blowing up. RES is going to be 2X louder with SEZ closed in and more fans going nuts. 

      • Charlie
        1

        I am guessing the Pac does not determine what we do for non-conference games.  If that is the case, I can’t imagine a couple of full crowds followed by mandated reductions.  Last year we also saw other Pac schools doing things different than Cali.  However, I don’t think that matters, with the football season so far away with the decline everyone expects, the issues will be a small fraction of the current.  Still, there will be some barking at everyone else a year from now.

  • Utah5410
    2

    Full stadiums in the fall. Baring some unforeseen event. The MLB all star game, bama football etc have all announced fall stands.

    • GameForAnyFuss
      3

      Reading the tea leaves in the medical community right now, I would say the most likely scenario in the fall is that stadiums in Utah will be full, but with masks required for everyone.

      • Gary Sapp
        2

        I can watch football if I wear a mask? DONE AND DONE!

        I’ll wire it on if I need to.

  • ProudUte
    5 3

    Coach K has to go now if we hope to restore this program.

    I read the posts below and I understand why some think he will not go.  I think he may not go this year either.  The reason – we don’t have a university president.  I doubt that a lame-duck or acting president will pull the plug.

    Our basketball program is in dire straits IMO.

    Coach K had some good (not great) early years and we over-reacted by giving him a contract that he did not deserve.  We are paying the consequences.  That being said, if we had an established president, I believe we would pull the plug.  It would be costly, but I feel that it would be more costly to continue down this path.

    The top of my list for a replacement is Alex Jensen.  However, I am not sure that he wants this debacle.  He has a great job and likely will be an NBA coach someday.  But, maybe he would like the challenge of rebuilding the program that he once played for.

    Go Utes!!!

     

  • Utah5410
    1 2

    Yup. Dead coach walking. No reason to keep him on. Cut ties. Bring in a real coach. Rebuild (for real though) and let’s move on. Another year, even a successful one is worthless since he’s gone anyways.

    • bopahull
      4

      Heres a hypothetical for you.

      The likelyhood of coach K leaving before the end of next season IMO is very low.

      If Larry keeps all his best players from this team and adds the 2 euros he has signed and recruits as well as he did this year he could have a very good team next year.

      If he were to make a deep run into next years tournament, say elite 8 or even final 4, do you still fire him?

      • AZUteFan
        3 1

        Let’s start with just making it to the NCAA Tournament before we talk about Elite 8 and Final 4 appearances.  We can’t even sniff the NIT anymore unless we have a team full of Seniors. Yet half the people on this board want to keep LK around for that deep NIT run in 2 years. Pathetic.

        • bopahull
          1

          Not dissagreeing with you, just presenting a hypothetical.

      • MDUte
        3 3

        I can make up nonsensical hypotheticals too but at the end of the day that’s all they are…complete nonsense. News flash, Larry K could recruit the next LeBron James and he isn’t going to make it to the Elite 8 or Final 4. It’s not happening. He’s simply not a good coach and has a long track record now that proves it. The program is a dumpster fire with no fan support and he needs to go.

        • bopahull
          2

          You apparently have enough time so go ahead. LOL

          • MDUte
            1 2

            Ok here’s my equivalent BS hypothetical to yours…we fire Larry K, and then Harlan hires away the real Coach K from Duke. And in his first year recruiting he brings in the Fab 5 (all one and done freshman players) and leads the Utes to the Final 4 and national championship. What do you think?!

            • bopahull
              2

              Sign me up.

      • Stone

        I have long since lost confidence in Coach K, but if the team goes to the Final 4 or Elite 8, you most likely need to keep him – despite the recent history. It would be pretty nuts to let go of a coach that takes a team that far. 

  • I don’t see Larry being outed after this year. I could be dead wrong.

    I have zero insider knowledge, but the buyout is too much, the fans are too hopeful which is why it gets so much run, IMO. Unless there’s a can’t miss hire to replace I just think it’s only 20% chance a change is made. The full team is coming back this next year sans Plummer, unless Timmy and some others decide to leave or transfer, right?

    Curious to hear others perspective or likilihood estimate % of a change happening. Thx

  • AZUteFan
    4 11

    Agree with you that LK isn’t going anywhere. And it’s because Harlan doesn’t have the balls. Currently he can blame Dr Hill for the insane contract /buyout while LK puts a mediocre product out there. Harlan is allowing  Utah basketball to die a slow death. 

    • PhiladelphiaUte
      9

      The pandemic took a huge bite out of our receivables, so austerity had become our primary action item.  If LK doesn’t get pink-slipped by season end, we can’t assume it’s because Harlan doesn’t have the sack.  It could be that he simply doesn’t have the purse.

      • Trailgoat
        5 8

        Agreed. Harlan is shaping into a lame duck AD. Dude is a slippery, schmoozaholic. Harlan is using the Utah AD job for a future move. No way Harlan’s cutting Larry loose at the expense of his own career risk. He knows LK has BB celebrity power. Letting LK go after this year might risk Harlan’s image for the next job. 

        Not sure if anybody else caught Harlan say “Thank You Rob” to Bill Riley at the end of his interview last week. What a tool. 

  • Utah5410
    1 1

    It’s worse if he isn’t ousted. He’s a lame duck. Even if he does well next year there is no way in hell his contract gets renewed. Utah is better off moving on. Yes I know the contract blah blah but the program is already losing money hand over fist and worse very few people care anymore. I used to love utah ball. I can’t support LK. Was done with his excuses after last year, he doesn’t develop, core guys leave every year. He can’t adapt to this new college ball

    • Ute2
      4 1

      I’ll preface this by saying that I’m totally for the utes moving on from Larry at this point.

      But IMO the Larry k era isn’t irredeemable. I think he could turn this thing around. My main beef all year has been an antiquated offense that acted like Poetl or collete or Andrew bogut were still with us.

      Unlike last year, As the season has worn on ive seen our offense start acting like we have dynamic wing players and guards, spacing the floor and letting dudes make plays. I think that has been a major factor when we’ve been successful and we’re moving more towards that. It’s been way too late but better late than never I guess?

      If Larry can figure out the offense (which he is kind of doing, albeit a day late and a dollar short)In the off-season or turn it over to somebody who knows what they’re doing, he might have a great year next year with everybody back. (Can’t Plummer come back if he wants?)

      I think Utah does a lot of other things well like defending, rebounding, transition, etc.

      I like Larry and if he gets one more year, I’d hope he really figures this out because we have the talent… oddly enough, I’d be thrilled though to see us move on because I’ve been quite disgusted with the last 2 seasons and all the wasted talent which I think we’ve got a lot of.

  • UtahUtesRock
    5

    Bill was saying on the broadcast that Plummer could be back next year. So I’m holding out hope. 

    • He can come back because the NCAA froze eligibility. No player has to leave if they don’t want to.

  • AZUTE
    6 3

    Larry is gone. 7 mil over four years isn’t that much. This year has been a huge disappointment and another year of no NCAA tournament.
    It would cost more to keep him in terms of recruiting, season tickets revenue as fan apathy is at an all time high.
    One win over an asu team that had given up doesn’t change the overall poor season.

    • EagleMountainUte
      5 1

      Boosters ain’t opening the wallet for this program. Larry K should do the right thing and resign. Harlan has to fire him to get money flowing back in.

    • The ASU win has nothing to do with it IMO. Harlan won’t make a knee jerk move before the end of next season unless there – killer hire that he can’t pass up. Who is that hire?

      • Utesbyfive

        Oh I get so tired of the “who is the next hire” game. We don’t know, we can never know. Harlan has connections we can’t imagine.

        • I bet we could “imagine”, hope I didn’t wear you out there.

  • Johnny
    1

    We have no idea what happens within that team. I can kind of tell it was chaos for sure these last couple seasons. At least he’s not in Bobby Hurley’s seat. 

    But yeah, he needs help closing the game out. He is horrible at coaching the crunch time. I’ll never forget Majerus clock manage a game against Wyoming I believe in 1992. The Utes were down 10 with 2 minutes left. I think the Utes won by 3. It was a master stroke.

    I like Larry, but I don’t ever see him coaching himself out of a bag like that. There are many coaches out there that can, though.

     

    • CincyUte
      3 1

      Are you saying we need a coach like Majerus or more opponents like Wyoming?

      • CincyUte
        2 1

        If our current team was losing by 10 to Wyoming with 2 minutes left, this board would be beside itself.

        • Johnny

          I think that 1992 Wyoming team sent 2 guys to the league. 

          • CincyUte

            Nice spin.

            Wyoming was 16-13, 8-8 that season.  Sixth place in the WAC.  And, apparently, they still almost beat us when we had Majerus.

      • Johnny

        A coach like Majerus as far as game management in the final minutes. The coach at Oregon is a prime example. He’s been around for a long time, way before Oregon. He’s a good coach, but is he a cheater?

  • Larry’s team was very young this year and finished about where they were predicted.  That is the bottom line. 

    In my opinion you don’t pull the plug on a young team with some promising wins for a coach that has shown he can recruit.  I think we see how this team pans out over the next two years and then decide the future of the program.

  • Charlie
    1

    What I have not liked.  I expected more and better big men to come thru Utah, Larry should have been able to recruit them.  Larry’s teams have been turnover pron.  Not so much from over agressiveness, more from mental lapses.  I would like to see more timeouts that turn a game, or generate good plays coming out of timeouts.  I would like to see more plays run out of end outs.  Losing players like Gach.  I hate not being involved in post season play.

    What I forgive.  Coming in second with so many big recruits.  We want him to try and there is pleanty to suspect of the winners we lost to.  Loosing Daniels was needed for locker room chemistry.  Loosing Lohner seemed connected to his dad’s employment.  We had a string of losses due to Jantunuen’s absence. 

    What I have liked.  I think it is a good move, if you are a bit grumpy old school, to recruit international players.  They have a better work ethic and accept coaching a bit different.  I think this strategy bumped our talent.  Bringing in Donny to address the same.

    Each year we have a significant talent gap with 2, 3, teams.  That will be more difficult to fix than we think.  We just are not at the point that we will be one of the most talented teams in the Pac, and it is a long shot that will change with a new coach.  But that is not to say we could not do better.  I don’t think the average Pac coach flip will help us.  To improve we need a much above average coach flip.

    Of all the years to ring up an extra investment, this year is not.  This is a year you make do with the old car.  As to the team, Utah’s team may be one that will improve.  Two international players coming in (wish I knew more about Stefanoic but Thelissen looks awesome), I expect Plumber to stay, and Allen is 50/50 to stay improve his draft chances.  Not sure many Pac teams will keep all their keys and add.  I expect Harlen may kick the can, leave the decision to 2022 and create questions letting Larry go into his last year.  Larry should not have a single complaint, we have bought and paid for that.

  • Are my Utes up 32 over Bobby’s bitch ass?!?!

    Good to see some strong play.

  • Warrior Ute
    6

    That was a fun game.

    • CincyUte
      8

      It’s always great to beat ASU.  Period.

  • UteBacker
    4

    Seriously…what in the hell was that all about? A 40 point win?

    • EagleMountainUte
      1

      “Ball went in the hoop” Fired coach of Utah past.

      • UteBacker
        2 1

        Is it sad that I immediately wonder how bad Az St must suck to lose to US by that much?

        • Chester Copperpot
          3

          On the flip side, utah has wins against USC and almost pulled one out at Oregon. Definitely a two faced Utah team.

          • On the flip side, utah has wins against USC and almost pulled one out at Oregon. Definitely a two faced Utah team.

            My response…

            I think they would have won @ Oregon if Jantunen had played.

            • EagleMountainUte
              1

              Response to your response…Larry K has lost so many times to Oregon in that manner…So no Utah won’t win until they ACTUALLY win.