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[SackLakeCity]

@beehiveute…great analysis! 100% agree the biggest coaching deficiency is not defining the offensive identity and understanding why it makes sense to run it considering the assets Utah has and the recruits Utah can get, and what advantage Utah might have by running a certain system. It seems like the offensive identity is a week to week thing. I think success in anything in life is about focus, a plan, strategy, and tactics.

[SackLakeCity]

A comment on QB’s the last 10 years…I never want to see Tommy Grady or a Jordan Wynn type quarterback run the read option and keep the ball, it goes against the laws of physics.

[SackLakeCity]

@westslopecutthroat I would say my main strategy for Utah going forward is getting the angry JC kid. Although I would limit the angry JC kid strategy to mainly Wide Receivers, Running Backs, and Specialists. I would also want to plan and sign one linebacker and dt/de from Snow College every year to provide depth and fill a need. I would also want find the occasional JC steal that can fit other need on the team. I wouldn’t want to sign too many JC quarterbacks unless it is to fill a back-up or depth role.

I would put a team of angry JC’s against USC, Oregon, and any team in the PAC 12 and feel really optimistic about it.

[SackLakeCity]

@whistleofmoose great analysis! totally agree, I would also mention a problem of having to be in a situation where we had to start Travis Wilson as a unprepared freshman, the ball was totally dropped after the Brian Johnson/Brett Ratliff qb era, Jordan Wynn was good, but couldn’t handle the wear and tear of the D1 level.

Also I agree with you on the lack of development or identifying talent at QB with the current staff, one of the quarterbacks between Isom, Manning, or Cox should have been good enough to step in after Wilson this year. That speaks to either lack of identifying talent or lack of development. Hopefully the JV Qb can be a band aid until the problem can be solved.

[SackLakeCity]

@admin 100% agree with your analysis, Whitt gets about 80% right, just need to get the offense in order. I would like to have a system put in place for a special season every 3-4 years instead of every 10 or so.

I also like the Stanford model as an example, I actually think Utah can create a better than Stanford instead of really smart players we can be made of angry jc players with a massive chip on their shoulder that need to make something happen to make it to the next level.

@utahpunk. I hope the JC works out and can make some good throws as well as being a threat with his feet.

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[SackLakeCity]

it seems like over the years, Utah has been able to get good wide receivers…I guess I would wonder, how would the good receivers in the past do vs the current PAC -12 defenses? Would that have been able to get open? I’m thinking about David Read, Freddy Brown, etc…the fringe NFL types Utah has had over the years.

[SackLakeCity]

I think 2-3 more years and they are there.

[SackLakeCity]

Utah may have less wins this year overall, but is in a much better position with the team and program moving forward. 

 

I actually think it is just a matter of time with the Utah system that Utah starts having some dominant years.  I think it has just taken this long to get the PAC-12 talent and  Utah’s work ethic, player development, culture, and dominant defense can overcome some of the natural advantages of USC.  I look forward to when the stars align and Utah has its own version of 2008 & 2004 in the PAC 12.

[SackLakeCity]

my take is the last couple of years is that Utah on the offensive end lucked into some top end talent, mainly Booker and Joe Williams and had a QB with one elite skills, Travis Wilson’s read option. This won games for Utah, but they struggled in November because they road these horses too much.  And really they did luck into these players, who knew Booker would be Booker and Williams would retire and do what he did.  

 Utah is always tough on the defensive end, but as well had a lot of top end talent (defensive line, linebackers (Paul, Norris), but also lacked depth when they went down and hence struggled in November.   I feel Utah will always be tough on the d-line, but to keep at the top level need a consistent pass rush threat that can make the big sack when needed. 

 I feel now that Utah has the depth or will solve that problem in the next 2-3 years on defense and don’t see that too much of a problem after that with exception to the occasional down year or missed recruit.  I think there are indicators of this, Jaylon Johnson picking Utah as an example of this, Utah is become a destination defensive school.  

Back to the offense, for Utah to beat the hell out of people on the field and on the scoreboard they need to some how get that top end offensive talent whether it be by luck or landing a top recruit.  It is too early to tell, but Huntley could be that top end talent if he can stay healthy, the way Moss ran last night, he can be that top end talent,  and too bad Carrington is gone this year.

 

[SackLakeCity]

Great points!  I think having Shyne out has changed things more than we have talked about, having the Shyne & Moss 1-2 punch is a game changer…I think Huntley wants to win so bad that he really trusts himself and not so much his running back at this point…I think that’ll come once he settles down.  I really like Troy Williams, but Huntley has another gear and dimension and glad he is getting his time this year to set up for the next couple of years.  First time in a long time I have looked at the QB pipeline and smiled.