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- 10/06/2021 at 11:30 AM #152572
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  Dresden_Stormblessed
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  Was this kid why Zion Steptoe decommitted?
  
  https://247sports.com/college/utah/Article/utah-utes-commitment-chris-reed-recruiting-2021–172515344/ 
  
  Chris Reed committed REAL quick to the Utes.
- 10/06/2021 at 11:32 AM #152573
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  I think it’s the other way now after researching it. Steptoe decommitting was a surprise. Bumphis got to work, extended an offer, Glover and Nate Johnson helped him out and BOOM, Chris Reed commits. Commitment was a welcome surprise. Steve Bartle doesn’t look too impressed with this kid at the moment but his stats right now are pretty darn good imo.
  - 10/06/2021 at 11:51 AM #152576
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    MauchDawgUte
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    Hopefully this is the second coming of the Hallandale trio.
  - 10/06/2021 at 12:31 PM #152578
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    MDUte
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    Interesting pickup. No star rating for Reed, so I guess he’s truly an under the radar kid. Looks like he has impressive 4.5 speed. And it’s good to see he’s a 2 sport kid….basketball skills seem to translate well to WRs with being able to go up and come down with 50/50 balls.
  - 10/06/2021 at 6:40 PM #152592
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    Bartle’s hardly the resident expert.
- 10/06/2021 at 12:59 PM #152579
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  Central Coast Ute
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  Yes this why. Utah doesn’t have many Scholarship slots this year. Everyone needs to calm down when they see a decommit.
  - 10/06/2021 at 1:54 PM #152581
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    noneyadb
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    With so many other schools taking on the normal 20+ recruits, this seems like a failure come 2026 especially if these small classes don’t pan out.
    - 10/06/2021 at 1:58 PM #152582
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      chinngiskhaan
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      I don’t understand your logic here. Utah isn’t choosing to have smaller classes. The number of schollies they have is the number they have because they have other guys currently occupying those scholarships. They had more players stay back for a freebie year than most other schools did. I don’t see how this effects them in the long term. More guys stayed back, and a larger portion of the current roster are underclassmen, which means less scholarships are available for recruits. That’s just simple math. It’s not like the coaches are holding back scholarships to save for other years (unless you are referring to them leaving a couple spots open for transfers, which I think has proven itself to be a poor strategy at this point… but I’m not sure if they are currently doing that or if that was just for the last class).
      - 10/06/2021 at 2:16 PM #152585
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        I’m not sure holding a few for transfers is a bad thing. Especially if it was just going to be used on a high school kid that probably won’t play anyway. Mckinney, Calvert, Howard and Pledger were all good people to use scholarships on. Even Curry and Thomas may prove to be worth it as well. I do agree that the one and done QB experiments have not worked out and maybe they shouldn’t rely on that going forward. But other QB’s like Rising and Jackson aren’t bad people to hold back some scholarships so they have room for them.
        
        10/06/2021 at 3:22 PM #152586
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        Charlie
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        The portal is good. As bad as Bentley was imagine last year with out him. Imagine this year without Rising, Pledger, McKinney. It is not perfect but no recruiting source is. Still I prefer to home grow talent but we still get caught short at times.
      - 10/06/2021 at 3:35 PM #152587
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        noneyadb
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        If 247 scholy distribution is semi accurate, there’s approx 66 So&Fr to 21 Sr&Jr’s listed.
        
        That makes for a large problem come 2025 when you’re depending on a couple recruiting cycles to fill 60 positions. Rather than taking small classes now, continue with the 20ish recruit classes and offer those that aren’t panning out so far a PWO…
        
        10/06/2021 at 3:48 PM #152589
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        chinngiskhaan
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        So you are suggesting that the coaches have the same size of class, but with PWOs instead of schollie offers? How on earth is that better? All that means is that we’ll be recruiting guys who aren’t getting schollie offers somewhere else.
        
        Or are you suggesting that we take schollies away from current underclassmen recruits that aren’t panning out? I’m….. reasonably certain that would be equally terrible for recruiting. “Come to Utah! Where if you don’t pan out after 1 legitimate football season, we YANK YOU SCHOLLIE! WOOOHOOO GO UTES!”
        
        **I think we will more likely see is the use of redshirts to balance things out going forward.**
        
        I HIGHLY doubt this becomes a problem in 2025.
        
        10/06/2021 at 10:35 PM #152604
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        noneyadb
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        No…
        
        Get a Sponsor that’d cover tuition for PWO’s (what BYU did) and Offer the scholarship players that are already on your roster that aren’t meeting expectations the PWO and continue recruiting with the goal of having primarily seniors and juniors making up the majority of your starting roster…
        
        10/07/2021 at 10:06 AM #152624
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        chinngiskhaan
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        Even if we could make that happen, that won’t make players/recruits happy. They want the prestige of being awarded a scholarship by the coaches.
        
        Imagine those scholarship awarding videos. How happy is everyone on the whole team for the guys that have earned that distinction? Now imagine the exact opposite of that. This is what you are advocating for. Don’t pan out? We’ll give your scholarship to someone else, but don’t worry, your tuition will still be covered. Come on man. You know that won’t fly.
        
        It will all even out. Just be patient. There is always going to be some variation in class size from year to year, but these guys know what they are doing.
        
        10/07/2021 at 12:11 PM #152629
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        krindor
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        Also, what BYU is doing for walk-ons, while great, shouldn’t be considered the same as a scholarship.
        
        Leaving aside the ego/recognition issues already addressed, a walk-on at BYU now has their tuition paid for and has to go to a couple events a semester in exchange for that (in addition to all the football practice stuff).
        
        A scholarship player has their tuition paid for. Plus their housing. And their books. And a small spending stipend. Plus the sponsor is giving them an extra $1000 beyond that, without having to go to events to shill for the company.
        
        Don’t get me wrong, it’s a great deal for a walk-on (compared to what the situation used to be). But it’s still a terrible deal for a walk-on compared to a scholarship player.
        
        10/06/2021 at 4:23 PM #152590
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        Utesbyfive
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        Every team in the country has the same problem to a degree. The NCAA is busily figuring out how many additional initial commits teams should have for the next few years. It will probably be an increase followed by a phased decrease over several years.
      - 10/06/2021 at 3:36 PM #152588
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        chinngiskhaan
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        yeah, I should have been more specific. In my mind I was thinking the senior rental types. I’d much prefer that younger guys that are committed long term get the playing time. Transfers that are underclassmen are totally fine because they are effectively the same as a freshman (though I’m still weary of them because players almost never transfer if their previous coaches felt they were good enough to get consistent playing time).