The BYU Honor Code Protest

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- 04/12/2019 at 7:59 PM #93913
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  UteThunder
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  I can’t help but laugh at the people protesting. They CHOSE to attend that university knowing full well about its honor code and the way it is enforced. If they don’t like it, then they should transfer to another school. Period. End of story.
- 04/12/2019 at 9:09 PM #93917
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  gUrthBrooks
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  Umm. No. They can voice their opinions about the good parts of the honor code and the stupid parts of the honor code like beards and rape shaming.
  - 04/12/2019 at 9:18 PM #93919
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    Didn’t BYU already change the rape shaming portion? And I’m sorry, but if you join a private club that requires you to abide by some weird rules like not growing a beard, then as long as you knew about them when you joined then you really have no business protesting those rules. This is one of the big problems in society today – too many people think everyone else in the world should cater to all of their wants and desires.
- 04/12/2019 at 9:42 PM #93920
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  GameForAnyFuss
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  For the umpteenth time, *they are not protesting the honor code!* They’re protesting the way everyone is encouraged to turn each other in and the victim blaming.
  
  I don’t like the HC either (it’s stupid and unnecessary), but everybody needs to get their facts right before they opine on it.
  - 04/12/2019 at 10:43 PM #93922
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    “They CHOSE to attend that university knowing full well about its honor code and the way it is enforced.”
    
    I know what they are protesting. My point remains: If you willingly join a private organization, you have no business protesting the way they do things.
    - 04/13/2019 at 8:06 AM #93928
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      Are they choosing or their parents hammered it in their heads that was where they were going to college for many years?
      - 04/13/2019 at 8:54 AM #93930
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        ^This
        
        I dated a BYU-P student for 18 months. She hated BYU-P. She only went there because it was the only school where her parents would pay her tuition. And I was shocked about how many of her friends and roommates were in the same boat – I’d say it was 30-40%.
        
        See, there’s this fear within some parts of LDS culture that children will leave home and attend a university where their beliefs and morals will be challenged, and that will lead to inactivity, sex, drugs, and alcohol. So the parents basically force their kids to go to BYU-P because those things are less likely to happen in such a culturally- and academically-sanitized environment.
        
        Also, most incoming freshman know what the HC is, but they have no idea how it’s enforced. They don’t sign anything saying they’ll be ratted out by roommates, victim shamed, or set up by the police. So yeah, they’re right to protest about HC enforcement.
        
        04/13/2019 at 10:51 AM #93937
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        Probably the single biggest reason LDS Inc. sends 18 year old children on two year missions is to blunt outside influences during their formative years.
        
        04/13/2019 at 11:10 PM #93971
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        Whether they wanted to attend BYU or their mommy & daddy made them, it doesn’t change a thing. These students are ADULTS and therefore are capable of making their own decisions. If they don’t want to go to BYU, then they should transfer.
- 04/12/2019 at 11:07 PM #93925
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  Duhwayne
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  All that HC sharia secret police stuff was common in church culture around the time the Honor Code office really started down that road. See the quote below about the role of home teachers. So frickin culty. Glad that program has been abolished.
  
  “Maybe the home teacher should be charged more clearly to describe his mission to watch over and to strengthen to see that members do their duty. … They think themselves as teachers of the Gospel message only. Maybe we ought to be calling them home guardians or sentinels and to report their stewardship to the fathers of the ward. We must do something to change the emphasis from teaching to guardians, ‘watching over the church kind of concept.’ Until we get that into our minds, we are not going to do the kind of home teaching that is going to get results.”
  
  https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1972/10/home-teachers-watchmen-over-the-church?lang=eng
- 04/13/2019 at 1:42 AM #93926
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  Yes, and philosophically:
  
  If you enrolled, knowing what was expected, and then broke the rules you knew existed, well SHRUG!
  
  I’m not Mormon, but I accept that there are people who think the honor code has value and seek that environment.
  
  I also understand that many, might challenge themselves to abide by those rules/goals, but ultimately fall short, and be uncomfortable after their own failure.
  
  If you sign up for a significant religious/personal goal, even if it seems ridiculous in hindsight, and you ultimately fail, own the fact that you failed to meet your own objectives, regardless of the system or it’s enforcement.
  
  This is between you and God.
  
  Don’t go back, asking for someone to rewrite the rules or to bail you out. It’s still between you and God.
  
  A Catholic perspective….