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[The Miami Ute]

Hey now…I was there when the U won two ‘ships and played for a third. Ain’t nothing like it in the world. Not sure Utah will ever experience anything remotely like that.

[The Miami Ute]

FFS, why do all of these great Utah players go to a hated division rival?

[The Miami Ute]

Even worse, be glad he didn’t go to ASU.

[The Miami Ute]

Yeah Charlie, I have that space argument with pro-massive immigration people all of the time. They focus solely on the size of the USA and completely ignore how populations would be concentrated around the country or what the quality of life would be for those people. Let me tell you, if we continue the way we’re going, it won’t be long before we start seeing the growth of massive favelas like in Brazil on the outskirts of all major cities in the USA.

Years ago, I used to live in west El Paso but worked in east El Paso. How I got work was using I-10 which ran right along the border with Mexico and Ciudad Juarez. Because the terrain is mountainous along that span, you could get a pretty good view of Juarez from the highway. While El Paso was definitely 1st World, when you looked at Juarez, all you could were massive complexes of shanty towns and favelas. That’s our future unless we get a good handle on immigration and housing prices. I just looked it up and the data shows that, since 1970, the cost of building has soared by 383%, and the cost of land has jumped by 500% nationally. Keep in mind that these figures are national averages, and costs in high-demand areas like New York City and San Francisco are much higher. Consequently, not only has building become less frequent since the 1970s, but when construction does occur, companies must charge more to account for these increased costs.

[The Miami Ute]

LOL…no.

[The Miami Ute]

Well, I hope he’s drinking and not snorting…

[The Miami Ute]

They’re killing me man…it’s like seeing someone you love stabbing you in the back!

[The Miami Ute]

You know, I hear that “we still have a lot of empty space” quite a bit from the pro-immigration crowd. What it fails to take into consideration is that large portions of US territory are not suitable for habitation (particularly in the West), or are part of the national and state park systems, or belong to federally recognized American Indian tribes, or have little to no attraction for the majority of the population.

BTW, I’m glad that you have an immigrant in your house. I see an immigrant every time I look in the mirror.

If Liberals Won’t Enforce Borders, Fascists Will

[The Miami Ute]

Just asking, what would satisfy you? A USA with a population of 500M? 700M? 1B? If people can’t afford to buy homes now, I can just imagine if we double or triple our population. The pressure on resources, services, and the environment would also be at an extreme.

The fact is that we don’t need any more immigration, unless it’s discreet and targeted. There’s no frontier to be won or cities to be built or spaces to be conquered. Anyone coming here now is just competition for scarce housing and other necessities of life.

Think about this, in just this century, the USA has added almost 60 million people (from 282M to almost 342M), or almost the entire country of France, to its population. The majority of that increase has been due to immigration, both legal and undocumented. The US also has, by far, the highest number of foreign born residents in the world. And I mean, it’s not even close. The US has 51M immigrants. Germany is second with 16M. So it isn’t like we haven’t done our part.

Other countries in the western hemisphere like Argentina, Brazil, Chile and even Mexico to a lesser extent used immigration to develop themselves but eventually stopped because they started reaching the point of diminishing returns just as we have.

Whatever the case, this is an issue that needs to be addressed in the most serious manner. If we don’t, it will be another major friction point on the road to disintegration.

[The Miami Ute]

You bet. A lot of people in the NHL know think that this situation is eerily reminiscent of the Quebec Nordiques move to Colorado in 1995. That team won the Stanley Cup during their first year in Colorado and has never looked back since then, becoming one of the most successful franchises in the NHL. Now, I’m not saying that the Utah franchise is going to go on the same path but they’ve got a good young core that’s about to take off. In addition, they’ve got a ton of cap space and have stockpiled a huge, huge number of draft picks in the the first three rounds though 2026. We might be the recipients of a team that, all of sudden, becomes a consistent winner and a threat to win it all. I feel bad for Coyotes’ fans but wouldn’t that be great for us?