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      EagleMountainUte
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    • #59533

      Stone
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      @stone

      What is the reason for a “retirement” announcement (versus just no longer trying out for a team)? Is there some requirement that they officially retire to alert other teams that the player does not want to be contacted, some financial aspect, collective bargaining agreement aspect, or is it just to let people know that the NFL did not reject them, they rejected the NFL? If they later change their mind, do they need to officially “unretire” or can they just start playing again?

      • #59538

        gothamute
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        I think it has to do with the fact that a player who is under contract can’t just decide it’s not working out with a particular team and go try somewhere else. The only way they can “opt out” is to formally retire and let the clock run out on their contract, although this may not be as simple as time passing on the calendar (because under the CBA the clock might be based on accrued seasons, i.e. periods in which you were active etc). I think paying back the full signing bonus helps facilitate moving on either because of some impact on how the clock counts in that instance or because the team is more likely to cut the player loose if they’re not out any money. More detail can be found here:

        https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/pittsburgh-steelers-nfl-features-news-blog-long-form/2016/3/5/11158958/nfl-101-how-cuts-retirements-and-trades-affect-the-salary-cap

        Retirement section highlights below:

        “Retirements

        Teams can end a contract at any time, but so can players. In a player’s case, though, the only way they can do this is by retiring. In the end, though, the math looks pretty much the same as if the player had been cut — and the June 1 rule applies here, too.

        For instance, if our player from the example above had retired instead of being cut, his money would account the same way as if he had been cut by the team. If he files his retirement paperwork on or after June 1, the money counts as if he was cut on or after June 1.

        Just like anything else in the NFL, though, there is a “but” for this rule, too: if the player retires with time remaining on his contract, then chooses to come back into the league later, he is not a free agent. Contracts apply, in most cases, to accrued seasons, not calendar years. If the player doesn’t play, he doesn’t accrue a season. Therefore, his return to the field would put him back under the control of the same team, unless that team chooses to cut him. This rule is part of the reason why Barry Sanders chose to retire: the Lions refused to cut him, and he decided he’d rather stop playing altogether than play another season for Detroit. Conversely, Brett Favreretired, and then the team chose to cut him while he was retired. He was then able to return to the league later as a free agent.

        Okay, there are actually two “buts” for retirements. When a player retires, the team has the option to pursue the return of a portion of the signing bonus equal to the unplayed portions of the contract, and that money is no longer counted against the salary cap. This is typically done through an arbitrator. This is known as the “Barry Sanders Rule” because this is exactly how the situation played out in his case, as he was required to pay back a portion of his bonus. The difference between now and then is there was no precedent when Sanders played; now, it’s explicitly written into the CBA to allow for this arbitration.”

        • #59562

          Stone
          Ute Fan
          @stone

          Great explanation, thank you.

          So any idea why Mokofisi and Lowell issued a formal “retirement”? Are they trying to sign on with another team? If not, and they just don’t want to play football anymore, is there a reason to announce a formal retirement?

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            gothamute
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            @gothamute

            In Lowell’s case, he has said since the announcement that he wants to get into coaching, so he may actually be done (apparently scouts had real doubts about how committed he was to playing, which is why he didn’t get drafted). Flip’s agent says he’s taking some “time off” which makes me think that maybe he wasn’t going to make the team or it wasn’t a good fit and he’s not ready to hang it up for good just yet… but that’s just speculation since there’s not much reporting beyond the issued statements at this point.

      • #59544

        gothamute
        Ute Fan
        @gothamute

        I think it has to do with the fact that a player who is under contract can’t just decide it’s not working out with a particular team and go try somewhere else. The only way they can “opt out” is to formally retire and let the clock run out on their contract, although this may not be as simple as time passing on the calendar (because under the CBA the clock might be based on accrued seasons, i.e. periods in which you were active etc). I think paying back the full signing bonus helps facilitate moving on either because of some impact on how the clock counts in that instance or because the team is more likely to cut the player loose if they’re not out any money. More detail can be found here:

        https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/pittsburgh-steelers-nfl-features-news-blog-long-form/2016/3/5/11158958/nfl-101-how-cuts-retirements-and-trades-affect-the-salary-cap

        Retirement section highlights below:

        “Retirements

        Teams can end a contract at any time, but so can players. In a player’s case, though, the only way they can do this is by retiring. In the end, though, the math looks pretty much the same as if the player had been cut — and the June 1 rule applies here, too.

        For instance, if our player from the example above had retired instead of being cut, his money would account the same way as if he had been cut by the team. If he files his retirement paperwork on or after June 1, the money counts as if he was cut on or after June 1.

        Just like anything else in the NFL, though, there is a “but” for this rule, too: if the player retires with time remaining on his contract, then chooses to come back into the league later, he is not a free agent. Contracts apply, in most cases, to accrued seasons, not calendar years. If the player doesn’t play, he doesn’t accrue a season. Therefore, his return to the field would put him back under the control of the same team, unless that team chooses to cut him. This rule is part of the reason why Barry Sanders chose to retire: the Lions refused to cut him, and he decided he’d rather stop playing altogether than play another season for Detroit. Conversely, Brett Favreretired, and then the team chose to cut him while he was retired. He was then able to return to the league later as a free agent.

        Okay, there are actually two “buts” for retirements. When a player retires, the team has the option to pursue the return of a portion of the signing bonus equal to the unplayed portions of the contract, and that money is no longer counted against the salary cap. This is typically done through an arbitrator. This is known as the “Barry Sanders Rule” because this is exactly how the situation played out in his case, as he was required to pay back a portion of his bonus. The difference between now and then is there was no precedent when Sanders played; now, it’s explicitly written into the CBA to allow for this arbitration.”

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      EagleMountainUte
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