Possible boycott

[Central Coast Ute]

Thoughts?
PAC 12 players possible boycott

[Larry B]

Kyle Whittingham said it best when he said “you need the team more than the team needs you”.

If these guys want to make demands and threaten to not play, there’s always a guy behind them who wants an opportunity.

These kids are already getting a FREE ride to amazing universities, free tutoring, free housing, free food, free apparel, an opportunity to be seen by millions of people, an opportunity to go on to make millions of dollars, plus the “under the table” benefits we all know some are getting. And they still want to make demands?

If they don’t want to play because they are afraid they might get sick or injured then they are free to find something else to do. Free up a scholarship for someone who wants to play football while getting a free education.

[User Suspended]

So it’s play or we strip away your free ride? nice.

[CB]

@Pace Yes, they recieved the full ride scholarship to play football for the university. It’s why people like you and I never got offered one just for funsies.

[User Suspended]

So if a player dosn’t feel safe to play (because of covid) he should be stripped of his scholarship? 

 

[gUrthBrooks]

They have other options. They can come do accounting with me. They’ll start off with a safe cubicle space, upgrade to a cubicle with a view, maybe one day make manager or director and get a safe office and if they’re too scared but competent they can work from home. A win for everyone!!!

[Central Coast Ute]

Honest question Pace; if doctors and nurses, who would be at greater risk of contracting covid, refused to work out of fear, should they still be paid? Should they still keep their position and benefits?

[CB]

If a player doesn’t feel safe to play (because of the sniffles) but he does feel safe getting pile-driven into the ground by a 300 lb lineman, then yes he should be stripped of his scholarship.

[UtMtBiker]

COVID=sniffles? Pure stupidity.

[pedro]

Pace, you may want to read the article

[Utesbyfive]

Some scholarships require the student to keep up a certain GPA, major in a certain thing, etc. the Student Athlete scholarship requires playing a sport. I’ve never understood the school is for school people who don’t think sports or sports science is a legitimate field of study. Sports prepare students for all kinda of careers in a very lucrative professional business. Anyway, Why shouldn’t there be conditions on keeping that scholarship.

[Italy88]

I never thought I’d agree with you, but I do 100% on this. Well stated!

[User Suspended]

Player demands are understandable.  Why must they be the lab rats.  Not sure about the revenue split but extended health coverage seems like a reasonable ask.  

[gUrthBrooks]

I’m glad my Great Grandpa didn’t boycott the WWII draft. He enlisted instead and served on a destroyer in the pacific.
But my heart really goes out to these football players in the prime of their health lives with almost no chance of dying – boycotting a football game and still expecting a handout. What a crock of s**t!!!!

[dystopiamembrane]

Weird

[Tednab]

Scholarship is a golden ticket for setting you up for the rest of your life , comes to very few . To be unappreciated , greedy and entitled , Pff .. give it to someone more deserving. Those that demand more will never be satisfied; will never buy in and will be the cancers of the team anyways.. EARN the payoff like the rest of us..

[EagleMountainUte]

It is slightly ironic that High School players want to return and take the risks to possibly obtain that golden ticket. The entitlement then kicks in when you get it. 

[UteThunder]

Forget earning a scholarship. Most high schoolers just want to play a game they love and know they will never be able to play again once high school ends. These same kids would give up just about anything to have the opportunity to play in college.

[UtMtBiker]

How’s that ironic? I worked hard to build my personal brand and value to the company that work for so that I can demand more money. The more value I bring and more revenue I generate, the more I’m going to ask for and they are going to pay it. How is this any different?

You’d be a fool to work for free for 4 years a company that generates billions in revenue just for the education and a .001 chance at making it pro. Other kids on scholarship cost the school money. Football players bring it in.

[UtMtBiker]

The most deserving are the most athletically talented. That’s why it’s called an athletic scholarship. I personally don’t want to watch PAC 12 games played a bunch of “more deserving” BYU/G5 players.

[UtesRule]

I think we need to be really careful when we say top athletes in the prime of their life are not at risk from COVID-19. We simply do not know nearly enough about this virus to know if there may be long-term health effects associated with getting the virus other than just people dying from it. There are early indications that it may cause long-term damage to vital organs that would be applicable to anyone regardless of age or physical condition when contracting the virus.

I think we’re being a little bit selfish if we demand these kids play football so we can be entertained and don’t acknowledge that there may be a risk for them from getting it, especially where football is a very physical, close contact sport.

[User Suspended]

^this

[Central Coast Ute]

Question; do you believe this really about covid?

[dystopiamembrane]

What an odd phrasing. Why would UtesRule say it, if he didn’t believe it?

[Central Coast Ute]

I’m sorry, was I talking to you? He can speak for himself. What an odd answer.

[dystopiamembrane]

You weren’t talking to me. I overreacted. My apologies.

[Central Coast Ute]

All good.

[UtesRule]

Question for you, do you really disbelieve it? Or, better question, do you really think, after only 4 months of this virus being in our country, that we know all there is to know about it? Do you read or listen to ANYTHING about COVID-19 from medical professionals (doctors or epidemiologists who are professionals in this science)? Why are you questioning this?

I do think a large part of it is related to concerns over the players safely playing a sport that requires you to get right up in someone else’s face, breathing heavily on each other during a pandemic. YES

[Central Coast Ute]

Wow someone’s defensive, but good question. Here’s my answer: no I don’t believe this has anything to do with covid. According to the article they’re asking for a lot of money and more benefits on top of more testing. Here’s the thing, they’re already going to be receiving more testing by playing football than they will if they boycott the season. They’ll also have access to top notch medical care than many of them would have if they sat home. In a structured football environment, they’ll have more reason to stay home, than to go out and party like 20 year olds do. This is a ploy to try to get more money. As far as covid goes, they’re going to be at less risk by playing football than not, and if they do contract it, they’ll be taken better care of.

[UtMtBiker]

Because those are the same thing? Some might argue that your gramps that you’re so proud of put it on the line because he was the kind of person who would stand up for what he felt was right. Are these players not standing up for what they believe in?

[UteThunder]

It looks more like they are standing up with their hand out than standing up for what is right.

“Gosh, they already give us the equivalent of half a million dollars + for playing a game for 4 years and about half of us never even make an impact in an actual game during those 4 years. We deserve more!”

These players are trying to take advantage of a pandemic to make money. It’s borderline extortion.

[Brettski]

I saw this on R/CFB.  What a joke.  50% revenue sharing?  Kids that get a full ride to USC are getting several hundred thousand $ in free education / housing and food.  

This is the kind of crap that will drive me away as a fan.

[dystopiamembrane]

Many fans will remain.

[dystopiamembrane]

It’s unpopular to support football players on this board now.

[gUrthBrooks]

Exactly. If they want to become pros and compete with the NFL, fine. They don’t realize they’ll become the d-league and schools will walk away from it, the fan base will change. You can’t have pro football players at a state school and amateur women’s tennis on equal footing.

[Central Coast Ute]

50/50 revenue sharing will kill college sports. Title 9 will require it for all athletes and the vast majority of athletic programs operate in the red and are only kept afloat by the tax payers. So the question has to be asked, should the tax payers pay college athletes that are not producing any revenue? Also, it will favor schools like Ohio St., Texas and USC since they bring in more money and would have a bigger pie to split.

[gUrthBrooks]

Well…..bye!

[Hellhound152]

Some of the demands are incredibly reasonable outside of Covid.  Ben Criddle has been calling for extended health insurance provided by the university to all former players.  Football takes an incredible toll and even the guys that “make it” to the league don’t vest into the pension or lifelong healthcare until after five years on the active roster.  Meeting that request alone would serve as a fair step in the right direction.

[EUte]

I haven’t seen anybody corroborate Rudy Carpenter’s claims on this and I wonder if he has all his facts straight.  When he tweeted about it late last week, I expected to start seeing some reporting on this.. but no.  All the stories I’ve seen, like this one by Karen somebody, are based solely on Rudy’s tweets.  Not necessarily saying he’s wrong, it’s just odd.

[Central Coast Ute]

I agree. That’s why I waited until now to post this.

[Charlie]

I support choices. If you are not comfortable going to school don’t. If you are not comfortable playing sports, working, going outside don’t. If you don’t go to school, play sports, work, etc., you probably can’t expect the benefits that come from the activity. It is the performance of the activity that provides those benefits. Should we allow coaches and schools to accept players that do feel comfortable and want to play? Who should get the limited resources, those that are participating or those that do not? What about the degree, is it required to attend to receive one? It would seem that you can choose not to participate, however, it seems too much to ask that others can’t choose to participate in your place.

[Distantute]

The thought of someone saying i dont feel safe enough and then demanding the status quo be maintained is laugh out loud funny and a hallmark of dems living in a fantasy socialist society. Perform or get out. Its why this country is the greatest country in the world and the greatest produce of wealth in the history of civilization. The democrat trophies for everyone mentality is a means to an end and those hoping for this will be even worse off than before if successful. Truly remarkable.

[UtMtBiker]

Greatest country by what metric?

[UteThunder]

How about the metric of . . . FREEDOM?

Upward mobility?

Opportunity?

Standard of living?

The USA is the best country in the world.

[UtesRule]

I also support being intelligent about things, and right now I don’t think, given where this country is with managing COVID-19 (if that’s what you call it) we are anywhere near to being in control of it to have sports…safely.

Believe me, I want sports as much as the next person but not at the cost of someone else’s safety or long term health or potentially their lives!

We need to come back to reality here people!

[Charlie]

Anyone can take the measures for safety for themselves if they desire.  We will break down if we begin insisting others must as well.  The exception is essential services like grocery stores, and the requirement to wear a mask.  Sports is something we can allow those who choose to do so and I feel those that are uncomfortable should stay from those that participate or attend.  Our differences are too great to simply go to the lowest denominator and insist everyone else does as well.  It can’t be that difficult to isolate from sports if that is your desire.  Athletes that choose to take a year off should have the eligibility clock stopped and have their scholarship returned next year.

[EagleMountainUte]

It’s 2020 so yeah why not. I am pretty apathetic about it. I say they give in. Pay coaches less. Give the money to the kids for what they do. Raise tuition for the kids attending to pay the student athletes more. Which can be funded on the backside of free college education. Do it across the board. Make it what they want, a whole mess of equality of outcome. Pay women’s basketball the same amount of whatever the highest paid gets. 

Then we can watch the whole house fall in on itself. 

[UtesRule]

To set the record clear, I’m ONLY referring to the reason to boycott the season from a risk from COVID-19 standpoint. The other aspects I think are ridiculous and are not justifiable!

Go Utes!!

Beat COVID-19 (and USC)!!

[Central Coast Ute]

We all know your position on COVID and sports and I don’t think your wrong for it or for voicing it. I might not agree with you entirely on the subject but that’s ok. If you felt attacked in my question to you I apologize, it was not my intent. I really was just asking if you really believed it was about COVID. Nothing more, and nothing to read into.

[UtesRule]

Thank you for the apology and I, too apologize if my responses have come across as rude or offensive. Not my intention. This is a tough topic.

[Tony (admin)]

Hats off to you two. That’s how it is done.

[User Suspended]

Not sure I understand where you’re gong with the “if you really believed it was about COVID” question?? Seems like you’re signalling something….

 

[UtesRock]

I agree with the school to pull a scholarship. The scholarship is to play football and for that you get an education. If a player doesn’t feel safe they shouldn’t play. In my opinion the players are receiving the best care and safety measures possible. None of are safe but we have to move forward. The aids will be there, the cooks will be there, the trainers will be there, shouldn’t the players play?

That’s just one viewpoint. I’m okay with no sports of any kind for a year. My families safety is paramount to me. I see construction workers, healthcare workers, farmers, grocery store workers, and … putting it on the line everyday because they are essential. Sports is not essential.

[UtesRule]

I agree, except that unfortunately the revenue football brings in to a universities athletic budget (and even the school’s budget) is so great that missing even one year could have SIGNIFICANT ramifications for many schools, including some Power 5 schools.

COVID-19 SUCKS!!!!!!

I think I dislike COVID-19 more than THEM or TDS or OREGON, and that’s a lot!!!!

[UtesRock]

I’m a capitalist let’s make that clear, and success comes thru hard work. The federal government has to step up and fight this like WWIII. That means passing funding bills to ensure families don’t go hungry, cold or homeless. We will survive this because we are Ute strong. 😉