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    89ute
    6

    We are 3.5 point favorites at Arizona

    I’m not buying that Arizona is a hot mess. I’ve watched most of all of their games and they are not a crappy team. I think they’re a little smallish on the O & D lines and that’s about my only take away. We’re not going to bull doze them but I think we’re going to play well enough to win. They have been running well too.

    Their D line still does some stemming to get the O-line to jump. We should be prepared for it, unlike last year.

    Finally, conference play is here. Every game is a playoff game.

  • Utahute72
    9

    I think Zona is better than any team we’ve played to date. And probably by a fair amount.

  • Milton Vanderslice
    4

    The best part about being 3-0 is the chance to go 4-0.

  • SkinyUte
    3

    Just like us, I really have no idea what to make of Arizona. They’re obviously not world beaters, but they’re not doormats either. They’ve historically had our number in Tuscon as well.

    It’ll be important to start fast and keep the throttle down for this game. It makes me really nervous.

  • EagleMountainUte
    1 1

    They were shouting signals last year not just stemming. 

    Whitt should win this going away coaching wise. Be interesting to see how Huntley acts because he did not play well at all. Seemed to be pressing a little against San Jose then he settled in. 

    • AZUteFan
      5 1

      Huntley did not play well at all? You’re kidding, right? Or were we watching a completely different game?

      • EagleMountainUte
        1

        For San Jose? It was a slow start and he settled in but he could have had Offensive Player of the Week numbers honestly. At all is very much hyperbole. 

    • St George Ute
      4 1

      30 of 43 (69.8%) for 341 yards, 4 TDs, 1 INT, 1 lost fumble, and 53 yards rushing

      Statistically it was a good game (though I could have done without the turnovers), though I will agree, he did seem to press a bit in the 1st quarter. I felt as though he was trying to get Moss more involved, trying to force it a bit really. Once he relaxed and started playing his game he seemed to play better.

      The game last night just felt flat to me. Don’t know if it was a hangover from the BYU game, or just the lack of excitement of playing a bottom-tier MWC team. But they just seemed to be going through the motions in last night’s game.

      Hopefully the coaching staff gets them up for this week’s game. AZ isn’t going to roll over and play dead. They’re PAC12, and that’s a tough game regardless of the opponent.

      Top to bottom, I think the PAC12 may be the most competitive/balanced conference in the NCAA. There are probably 8 teams with an argument for being in the top 25.

  • UteFanatic
    6 1

    Even if Arizona truly is a hot mess, Utah could still lose to them if they don’t play clean.

    • Tony

      Let’s talk more about hot messes.

  • MotherJabubu
    7

    as far as I’m concerned Whitt still has to prove RichRod doesn’t have his number.

    • ladyinred
      2

      Totally. And even though we won the game last year, rich rod sure made them look like fools doing it. By far the oddest game I can remember. 

  • TexUte

    Garrett Bolles carted off

    Hope he’s alright

  • St George Ute


    That sucks. I hope it’s not serious and that he returns later in the season. Sad to see a guy work so hard and reach his dream only to get injured his rookie season. I wish him and all NFL Utes a long successful career.

  • St George Ute
    2


    Update. MRI tomorrow, but hopefully it’s just a sprain. Fingers crossed

  • St George Ute


    Update. That’s good news. I’m glad he’ll be okay.

  • leftyjace
    3

    YES. Excellent.

    Man, I love that dude. Wears his heart on his sleeve. You know he’s relishing this whole experience.

  • shakeitsugaree
    5

    Power Rankings?

    Stupid, or stupid awesome?

    What’s a good win? What’s a bad loss? Can we quantify these things to give us a methodology to rankings, so that I don’t want to puke every time USC gets ranked #1 just because of their pretty five star recruits?

    Here’s a thing:

    I ranked Pac12 teams by record; all 3-0 teams are at the top, while teams with a conference win are ahead of those that have not yet played a conference opponent. The 2-1 teams are next, followed by the 1-2 teams and bringing up the rear is the Beaver punching bag at 1-3. I then resolved the ties using this formula to evaluate this week’s game:

    – W=5, L=0

    – road game=2, home=0

    – opponent’s 2016 record (this is included because there haven’t been enough games played to evaluate teams on

      their 2017 record, and will be dropped either this coming week or the next): 13-9 wins=3, 8 & 7 wins=2, 6

      wins=1, <6 wins = 0

    – OW% 2017 (this will replace 2016 record, but is still considered this week):  100=3, 67=2, 50=1, <50=0

    – Conference: P5=2, G5=1, FCS=0

    – Margin of victory (this scale is also applied in reverse for losses): >21=2, 21-14=1, 13-7=0.5, 6-4=0.25, <4=0

    – 2017 wins: # of wins on the season

    – Bonus: rivalry=1, shutout=1

    This gives us these rankings:

    1) WSU (3-0, 1-0, 11 pts in my ranking system)

    2) USC (3-0, 1-0, 10 pts)

    3) Oregon (3-0, 0-0, 15 pts)

    4) Cal (3-0, 0-0, 12.5 pts)

    5) Colorado (3-0, 0-0, 12 pts)

    6) UW (3-0, 0-0, 11 pts)

    7) Utah (3-0, 0-0, 10 pts)

    8) Zona (2-1, 0-0, 11 pts)

    9) UCLA (2-1, 0-0, 10 pts)

    10) ASU (1-2, 0-0, 7.5 pts)

    11) Furd (1-2, 0-1, 10 pts)

    12) Beavs (1-3, 0-1, 8 pts)

     

    What say you?

     

  • Utah
    2

    Honestly, your rankings really seem to really pass the eye test. I like them. Keep doing this all season. 

  • ladyinred
    1

    I like your system, and honestly I seems like a fair assessment for Utah given the body of work so far. I don’t think cal and wazzu will fare as well in PAC 12 play, but have to admit their wins so far are good, especially cal. 

    I am also highly unimpressed by UW’s ooc schedule, so dropping them that low seems correct to me. 
  • Utahute72

    I’m not sure how you are applying those numbers. Are the points multiplicative or additive? If they are multiplied to get a result I would probably use fractions to downgrade the results rather than zeros. I like that winning is critical, and any system where the key is winning is positive (not really a fan of quality losses), but I do think teams need to be given credit for winning against good teams.

    • shakeitsugaree

      Points are additive, and the weighting system is purposeful – meaning, I tried to distribute the points based on what I consider to be most valuable (the ‘win’ is worth the most, against a good team is next, conference affiliation is worth less than the first two factors, etc). Here’s a breakdown of how I calculated the points:

      Oregon = 5(win) + 2(road) + 2(Wyoming 8-6 in 2016) + 1(Wyoming 1-1 going into the game) + 1(Wyoming G5) + 2(+36 margin of victory) + 2(Oregon 2-0) = 15

      Oregon State = 0(loss) + 2(road) + 2(WSU 8-5 in 2016) + 3(WSU 2-0 going into the game) + 2(WSU P5) – 2(-29 loss margin) + 1(OSU 1-2) = 8

      • Utahute72

        I’m still not sure how you get to the numbers you have.  On the surface, if Cal has three wins the lowest rating they could have over three games is 15.  Unless you are doing an average or a by weekly matching.

        • shakeitsugaree

          Maybe I have been unclear about the process. The points are only evaluating the most recent game, and are used to evaluate the ‘strength’ of a win or ‘severity’ of a loss. So:

          1) rank teams by record
          2) resolve ties by ‘strength’ of win this week

          Cal is tied at second because they have three wins, no losses and no conference wins or losses:

          3-0, 1-0: WSU & USC
          3-0, 0-0: Oregon, Cal, UW, Colorado, Utah
          2-1, 0-0: Zona & UCLA
          1-2, 0-0: ASU
          1-2, 0-1: Furd

          To evaluate which team from the ‘second place’ group should be first, we look at the points system. Oregon earned the most points, then Cal, Colorado and finally Utah. Here’s a breakdown of Cal’s points this week:

          Win 5 pts + At home 0 pts + Ole Miss 5-7 in 2016 0 pts + Ole Miss 2-0 going into the game 3 pts + Ole Miss is in the SEC, P5 conference 2 pts + Margin of victory 11 pts 0.5 pt + Cal 2-0 goint into the game 2 pts

          5+0+0+3+2+0.5+2=12.5

          Or, maybe I’m not understanding your confusion?

        • shakeitsugaree

          OK, I think I understand where you are going. You are adding points across weeks, which I wasn’t doing. However, I think it’s a good idea – I will do that next week.

  • EagleMountainUte

    Oregon is number one then?? I am confused on the point system yet you ranked them differently. 

    • shakeitsugaree

      So, I ranked teams first on their overall win-loss records, then on their conference win-loss records, which gave me a bunch of ties:

      3-0, 1-0: WSU & USC
      3-0, 0-0: Oregon, Cal, UW, Colorado, Utah
      2-1, 0-0: Zona & UCLA
      1-2, 0-0: ASU
      1-2, 0-1: Furd
      1-3, 0-1: Beavs

      Then, I used the points system to evaluate each team’s performance in this week’s game. I used the resultant scores to resolve the ties.

      • EagleMountainUte

        I see that now I didn’t read so good on the first go. 

  • Thlete
    2 1

    I hate Les Schwab and will never be their customer

    It was really nice watching a football game last week in LES and not forced to hear about some sponsor for every first down or red zone visit. I appreciate the support of the program, but please find another way.

  • PorterRockwell
    1 1

    I won’t patronize them because I know two people that have had problems with what should have been simple work done. And yeah the whole sponsorship thing is annoying as well
    Ple

  • GameForAnyFuss

    What is Les Schwab anyway? Don’t they sell copiers or something?

    • PorterRockwell
      1 1

      Tired and other auto related stuff 

  • RedUte

    Whatever happen to the free beef?

     

  • Duhwayne

    Take it back.

  • Tony
    2

    I’ve grown tired of the constant “we must protect this house” thing too.  It’s old.

    • utefansince79
      1

      At least they had the sense to do away with the Costa Vida wave.

       

      • PorterRockwell
        1 1

        And the damn drums.  Couldn’t stand those either.  The cannon is much better 

        • Tony

          The drums are gone this year.

  • Larry B
    4 1

    Utes ranked 23rd in AP poll…

    Our record might be deserving of a top 25 spot but I’m not sure our product is. Through 3 games against sub-par teams I don’t think we’ve looked great, especially in the run game (I never thought I’d say that). We seem to have great talent everywhere on the field except at RB. If we can get a run game going and actually make Pac12 teams respect it, look out. But if we’re one dimensional beginning next week, we won’t see the top 25 all year. Moss needs to step it up!

  • justaute
    5

    O-line can use meaningful improvement, as well, I think.

  • SkinyUte
    4

    I don’t know that we deserve either ranking after what we’ve shown against poor competition in these first three games. I am interested to see if it serves as a motivator for the team, or if it puts a target on their back and they struggle to deal with the additional pressure.

  • Utahute72
    4

    The Utah Pass

    WE need to start a campaign to have all shuffle passes referred to as the “Utah Pass” henceforth.

  • SkinyUte
    8

    Isn’t it “shovel pass”?

    • taragon85
      2

      From now on it shall be known as the Utah shuffle pass!!! And if someone scores they have to do the Utah shuffle 

    • PorterRockwell
      1 1

      Yes it is.  Don’t know why people keep calling it the “shuffle pass”

    • Utahute72

      I’ve heard it called, “Shovel Pass”, “Shuttle Pass”, “Shuffle Pass”, which is why I suggest we standardize on “Utah Pass”.

      • Puget Ute
        1

        I think the one-handed forward lateral is officially a ‘shuttle’ pass, where a ‘shovel’ pass is two handed. 

        I do love calling it The Utah Pass since it was invented at the U. It works nicely with a little inside tunnel screen.
  • Utahute72
    1

    Al Michaels, “That’s the old Utah Pass”,  It’s already catching on.