Kuzma on list of players who received money from ASM sports in 2015…

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- 02/23/2018 at 6:24 AM #55634
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  HoosierUte
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  Nothing mentioned in the article but if you look at the doc pictured he is on there with $9,500.00 next to his name. I don’t like it one bit.
- 02/23/2018 at 7:21 AM #55637
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  ironman1315
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  Neither do I. But it appears it was a personal rather than institutional problem. At least for now.
- 02/23/2018 at 7:22 AM #55638
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  “When this all comes out, Hall of Fame coaches should be scared, lottery picks won’t be eligible to play and almost half of the 16 teams the NCAA showed on its initial NCAA tournament show this weekend should worry about their appearance being vacated.”
- 02/23/2018 at 7:49 AM #55640
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  Duhwayne
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  If true, ths looks like a payment from the agency to the player. He was already on campus. I’m sure there is pressure and grease when selecting a pro agent. We’ll find out I guess.
  - 02/23/2018 at 8:22 AM #55641
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    HoosierUte
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    Yeah doesn’t seem to be a payment to come to Utah but rather a payment for ASM to land him as a client when he eventually went pro. Institutionally I am not sure what can be done to prevent this at the individual school level.
    - 02/23/2018 at 9:49 AM #55656
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      So, after the games were over, Kuzma is in classes not playing basketball, took some money from an agent with no University of Utah involvement and then went pro.
      
      Big whoopty do. All Kuz did wrong was sign the check then drop out instead of dropping out then signing the check. Wah wah.
      - 02/23/2018 at 9:57 AM #55659
        
        stonguse
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        ^This. At what point did the University of Utah do something wrong?
      - 02/23/2018 at 10:57 AM #55664
        
        HoosierUte
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        Except that the document says “As of December 31, 2015” right at the top. That means that dates back to his second year at the U (15-16 season). He played a full year(16-17 season) after this doc was created. There may well be another ill-advised document showing further payments for the 2016 year.
        
        I still don’t think this reflects on the University as there is no indication that the University or any booster were involved, and this doesn’t seem to be in regards to recruiting but ASM trying to land a client themselves. If a firm is going to funnel money to kids on the side it is very difficult for the school to know about it.
        
        02/23/2018 at 1:59 PM #55677
        
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        I’d be curious to know how close these alleged payments coincide with Kuzma’s big game against Duke in Madison Square Garden. That happened in December of 2015 and was sort of his coming out party on the national stage.
- 02/23/2018 at 8:37 AM #55644
  
  noneyadb
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  Players that are likely just one and done, why not enroll as a walk-on and have the agencies pay for your schooling? Avoid all the issues that come with being a scholarship athlete.
  - 02/23/2018 at 9:52 AM #55657
    
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    One HUGE problem is agents wouldn’t front the money upfront for a kid like Kuzma and his family is so poor, a lot of these kids send part of their monthly stipend home for their families.
    
    Waiting 2-4 years for that cash wouldn’t be possible for some of these kids.
    
    Its why I’ll never fault a kid for taking money.
    - 02/23/2018 at 1:14 PM #55673
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      I completely agree with not faulting a kid for taking money dangled in front of them, especially when their loved ones are struggling to make ends meet. The NCAA needs to get its act together and allow schools to greatly increase the stipend for players, or else this kind of thing is just going to continue. Maybe have a standard ‘allowable’ need-based stipend that is modified by locality adjustments.
      
      Also, ALL of the penalties should be levied against the crooked agents. Maybe they need to get their agent licenses suspended for a year or two when they get caught doing this. Retroactively punishing the schools and students is like smacking your dog the day after he peed on the carpet – the punishment is just so far removed from the crime as to be irrelevant.
      
      Pitino and the AD getting fired at Louisville was justifiable. Forcing Louisville to vacate their 2013 championship is just silly and irrelevant. That is like making me vacate the candy bar I ate last month.
  - 02/23/2018 at 10:14 AM #55660
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    PlainsUte
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    Scholarship or not you can’t be getting paid.
    - 02/23/2018 at 10:44 AM #55663
      
      EagleMountainUte
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      Delon Wright got braces at Utah surprised they didn’t go after Utah for that.
      - 02/23/2018 at 12:09 PM #55668
        
        PlainsUte
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        Well Delon’s brother is quite wealthy.
      - 02/23/2018 at 1:08 PM #55672
        
        Puget Ute
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        I thought he arrived with the braces. Also, he couldn’t afford to get them adjusted (didn’t have an orthodontist in Utah) and basically wore them for several years.