Why no G5 would ever deserve a shot at the playoffs.

[Utah]

I’ve looked at every single G5 school since 2004 that has finished the season undefeated: UCF, Western Michigan, TCU, TCU, Boise St, Utah, Boise St, Hawaii, Boise St, Utah, Boise St.

Only ONE team played 3 P5 schools in the regular season: 2004 Utah Utes.
Teams that played 2 P5 schools in the regular season: Western Michigan (16), TCU (10), TCU (09), Utah (08).
Teams that played 1 P5 school in the regular season: UCF (16), Boise (09), Boise (08), Boise (06), Boise (04).

First of all, stop over-rating Boise State. They played one game a year, every year. They don’t deserve s**t.

Second of all, let’s look at 2004 Utah vs the other top 4 teams: USC, Auburn, Oklahoma, Texas.

Utah’s top 3 wins: Texas A&M (7 wins), Arizona (3 wins), North Carolina (6 wins)
Utah’s # P5 games: 3 games

USC’s top 3 wins: Cal (10 wins), ASU (9 wins), 7 win OSU.
USC’s # P5 games: 10 games
Comparable games to Utah: Utah vs Arizona (23-6) vs USC vs Arizona (49-9)

Auburn’s top 3 wins: Tennessee (10 wins), Georgia (9 wins), LSU (9 wins)
Auburn’s # P5 games: 10
Comparable games: None.

Oklahoma’s top 3 wins: Texas (11 wins), Texas Tech (8 wins), Colorado (8 wins)
Oklahoma’s # P5 games: 10
Comparable games: Utah vs Texas A&M (41-21 Utah, 42-35 Oklahoma)

Texas’ top 3 wins: Colorado (8 wins), Texas Tech (8 wins), Texas A&M (7 wins)
Texas’ # P5 games: 9
Comparable games: Utah vs Texas A&M (41-21 Utah; 26-13 Texas)

Utah didn’t deserve to be in a 4 team playoff over any of those teams. They all accomplished more, had better wins, and had better resume’s for a playoff spot.

And Utah had, by far, the best G5 resume of any team out there.

It is not fair, to let a UCF or Boise St, who has only played ONE FREAKING POWER FIVE TEAM into the playoffs over a P5 school that has played 9+. And it is not fair to include TCU, Utah, BYU or Boise St in SOS, because all of those teams benefit from playing incredibly weak schedules, and if you put those teams into a P5 conference, they probably wouldn’t be ranked either, or have 10+ wins as an opponent.

No G5 should play for a national title. Their schedule will always make it impossible to build the resume they need to play for a title.

Who do you kick out of this year’s playoff for UCF? Alabama? Alabama has done a lot more than UCF and is a lot more deserving of a title shot. So is USC, Ohio State and Washington.

No Boise St team ever had any sort of resume to play for a title. Neither did TCU or 2008 Utah Utes. 2 P5 games is just not good enough. One is laughable.

Winning one game over a P5 school in a bowl game is very impressive. Try doing that having played Alabama or Washington the week before and WSU the following week. I’d bet none of those teams would survive a three week stretch of Arizona, Stanford and USC unbeaten. Or WSU, Washington and Colorado. Hell, even last year, USC couldn’t survive a four week stretch of Alabama, Stanford, Utah State and Utah.

It is too hard. These G5 schools are not deep enough to survive. So don’t punish Alabama, Ohio State, USC, Washington for beating the grind by letting some team that only played Maryland into the playoff.

This is America, where supposedly those who work the hardest get the best shot to succeed. So, let the most accomplished teams have the shot at the title.

[alharmon]

If the playoff expanded to 8 teams would you give a G5 team a shot?

[GameForAnyFuss]

I would. All 5 P5 champs, 2 P5 at-large, highest-ranked G5/independent (I would include Notre Dame in that group…they need to join a P5 conference or be counted as any other G5…they’ve lived off their “tradition” long enough).

[Dwight89]

I don’t like giving an auto bid to any conference champ. That would completely undermine non-conference scheduling. I think a better system is to keep the current “committee” approach, expand to eight, and guarantee the highest ranking G5 a spot. 

If there was a guarantee for P5 champs, you would need scheduling regulations to level the playing field. Something like, nine conference games must be played, one P-5 opponent, one G-5 opponent, and one FCS opponent. Then your seeding in the playoff is 50% determined by out of conference strength of schedule.

 

 

[Sweetness]

On the contrary, I think it would cause a drastic improvement in OOC scheduling. Teams would no longer be worried, or would be less worried about having an OOC loss, knowing if they win their conference title they are in.

I do think OOC would feel a little less meaningful, but the conference season and division races would be so much more compelling. I think having a guaranteed auto bid that every conference is competing for would be so incredible to follow. The last few weeks of the regular season for two and three loss teams would be so much more meaningful than they currently are.

There are so many positives to an 8 team auto bid model that I think they easily overcome any negatives associated with OOC scheduling.

[noneyadb]

12 teams, but have the conference championships, and 2 at-large teams with a play-in game being the first round. Team #1, & #2 then get a bye. 2nd round is 3-6 and 4-5 matchups. 2nd and 3rd round games are played at home teams field.

Move all FBS vs FCS games to a preseason. 

 

 

[noneyadb]

12 teams, but have the conference championships, and 2 at-large teams with a play-in game being the first round. Team #1, & #2 then get a bye. 2nd round is 3-6 and 4-5 matchups. 2nd and 3rd round games are played at home teams field.

Move all FBS vs FCS games to a preseason. 

 

 

[Duhwayne]

Utah fan transition to P5 school complete.

[Puget Ute]

We were operating under incomplete information. We certainly didn’t understand just how difficult the week-to-week grind is, and how many injuries we would be forced to deal with.  Now we understand just how tough it is to be the best in the conference and to be considered one of the top teams in the country.

[Staples]

You’ve just made the argument for either expansion to an 8-team playoff (because no G5 school is getting in on resume) or doing away with the facade that they even have a shot and separating the two entirely. Have a P5 championship and a G5 championship. At that point they should just blow the entire thing up, go to 4 power conferences and perhaps introduce promotion/relegation which could be rather interesting.

[rckymtn]

While on the same topic, all P5 schools should play a 9 game conference schedule, otherwise those that play 8 (ACC/SEC) will always have an easier path to the CFP

[BulgieUte]

It’s ridiculous that no G5 has a shot at a national title. It’s even more ridiculous to say they don’t deserve one but in the current format it’s true and that’s the most ridiculous thing about the debate.

They need to split off and have their own playoff. We could have a P5 champ and a G5 champ. Problem solved debate over.