Can the PAC ruin everything for the Big12? Is it true that the AAC teams have

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- 07/25/2022 at 10:40 AM #170244
  
  tarheelio
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  already paid that exit fee and theoretically could just jump over to a new conference with no penalty? I am not even saying that we would want them, but if we took Cincinnati, Central Florida and Houston, the Big 12 would be in a bad spot. It would add teams from 3 recruiting hotbeds, and a lot of eyeballs on TV’s. We could round it out with San Diego State and leave the Big 12 hoping that they can get Memphis and Boise.
- 07/25/2022 at 11:02 AM #170246
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  RedRocks
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  While those markets may be large, I don’t think those schools/teams make much sense for the PAC-12 from a travel perspective. They also are not the primary teams in their respective markets.
- 07/25/2022 at 11:15 AM #170248
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  AlohaUte
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  Honestly, San Diego State is probably the #1 most valuable option the Pac-12 has. Getting back into Southern California in a city that now ONLY has Baseball as a major competitive draw and a new (though small) stadium I think will help the Pac-12 the most overall. I also like the idea going around about going out and adding SMU and like the idea of trying to steal Houston from the Big-12.
  
  But if we are going to stealing from the Big-12, I think adding Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State, and Texas Tech may be the real value. Even though ISU seems irrelevant, they draw big attendance numbers and don’t do too bad with TV. Kansas is AAU and has basketball excellence, Oklahoma State is the #1 brand in the current Big-12, and Texas Tech has a solid following and is investing something 200 million into its FB program.
- 07/25/2022 at 12:25 PM #170254
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  UteThunder
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  I’m pretty sure they have signed contracts with the BigXII and would face huge financial penalties if they were to bail on their new conference before even joining. Then again, TCU announced they were going to the Big East before switching course to the BigXII. Maybe the Big East falling apart made it easier for them to switch without penalty?
  
  If the Pac-12 is going to expand, they have three pools to choose from.
  
  1) Current BigXII teams like Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, TCU, Kansas, Iowa State, etc.
  
  2) G5 teams like SDSU, BSU, CSU, etc.
  
  3) ACC teams looking to avoid being left behind by the inevitable departures of Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina, and Virginia. ACC teams would be more likely to look at joining the BigXII due to geography.
  
  Number 1 is the best option, number 2 is the most realistic option, but as far as Utah is concerned, our best option is probably joining the BigXII. The Pac-12 is DOA if we can’t poach some teams from the BigXII.
  - 07/25/2022 at 12:27 PM #170255
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    Central Coast Ute
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    The current big 12 schools are only signed until 2025. The new big 12 schools are not signed yet.
  - 07/25/2022 at 1:18 PM #170257
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    Utesbyfive
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    I disagree, and to support my point, see today’s articles from Canzano and Stuart Mandel.
    - 07/25/2022 at 1:41 PM #170258
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      Central Coast Ute
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      Great articles. The only people saying the big 12 is stronger is local big 12 media. For some reason, Ute fans are buying into it. The latest rumors I’ve heard from the big 12 are now AZ, CU Sanford and Cal lmao. Theu something everyday and they’re Lways imminent, later today etc. Nothing ever happens. People just need to chill out and see what happens before they believe these rumors.
      - 07/25/2022 at 5:52 PM #170266
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        dystopiamembrane
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        I am saying the Big 12 is stronger.
        
        07/25/2022 at 6:07 PM #170268
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        Charlie
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        I disagree. The Big 12 has a slight edge over the Pac 12 with Texas and Oklahoma. After loosing those two and the Pac 12 loosing USC and UCLA, the Big 12 has lost their edge clearly. Their best program, Baylor, is around 3 or 4 if in the Pac and they have several that are new to this level. There is no reason to expect the next 4 programs to move up to make the leap any faster than Utah and TCU that took half a decade to be competitive (these are lower draft picks). I also feel SDSU will assimilate up as quickly as those new programs in the Big 12, they missed mightily on this one.
        
        As to the first question, if either the Big 12 or the PAC take a couple of the best teams from the other, that conference will give the other a huge problem.
        
        07/25/2022 at 6:14 PM #170269
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        dystopiamembrane
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        5 Oklahoma State
        
        6 Cincinnati
        
        7 Baylor
        
        15 Utah
        
        21 Houston
        
        27 BYU
        
        28 Iowa State
        
        30 Oregon
        
        31 Kansas State
        
        46 Texas Tech
        
        49 Arizona State
        
        52 Central Florida
        
        55 West Virginia
        
        59 Oregon State
        
        60 Washington State
        
        72 Texas Christian
        
        83 California
        
        88 Washington
        
        95 Colorado
        
        99 Stanford
        
        108 Kansas
        
        117 Arizona
        
        Massey composite
        
        07/25/2022 at 11:47 PM #170291
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        dystopiamembrane
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        For those who down-voted this post, is the colour palette not discernible on your screen? I could choose two other colours, if that would be helpful.
        
        07/26/2022 at 12:01 PM #170313
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        Charlie
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        This is not a value index, it is an index from last years records with teams playing very different schedules. Try to imagine how this will shuffle in the next couple of years. The new teams going to the Big 12 will not at all hold onto these spots with schedule change, as an example.
        
        07/26/2022 at 6:12 PM #170342
        
        dystopiamembrane
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        Ranking systems are the only indices that matter to me. The other things that y’all are talking about are above my pay grade. I am a college sports fan, not a business exec.
        
        None of us know how things will turn out in the future. All we have is now.
    - 07/25/2022 at 2:19 PM #170260
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      UteThunder
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      Have any links? I would like to read them.
      - 07/25/2022 at 3:10 PM #170263
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        Utesbyfive
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        https://www.johncanzano.com/p/canzano-delusion-aside-the-big-12
        
        He references the Mandel article which is behind a paywall at the Athletic.
- 07/25/2022 at 3:08 PM #170262
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  Charlie
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  You must factor in that a school does not necessary own the market they are in. As an example, Houston is a top market clearly, however, this market is owned first by Texas, second TA/M, third LSU. You certainty would not just assume Rice also own the Houston market. Note that LSU is not even in the same state. Others like ND have most their market out of state. Look for where they stand in their market and adjust the market by that percent.
  
  I think the PAC would do well to invite Baylor, OSU, TT and SDSU. This minimizes coast to coast travel, keeps us in socal, and adds Texas/Oklahoma into the mix. I think we can not do better than that.
  - 07/25/2022 at 4:31 PM #170265
    
    PhiladelphiaUte
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    I agree Charlie! Hopefully, the Pac-12 doesn’t become short-sighted enough to just “follow the money”. I believe that by adding Bylr, Okla St, Tx Tech, and SDSU, it won’t raise our per-team payouts. In fact, it’ll likely lower them due to the quartet not being accretive enough to sustain the pie being divided 14 ways, rather than just 10. But adding them is absolutely the right thing to do. Everybody knows that UWa and Ore are looking to hop the first train out of the PacNW to the BigTen and/or the SEC, and should either of those super-leagues opt to expand further, the Huskies and Ducks (and possibly even the Cardinal) will be the first teams to go. And what then? The Pac-12 flounders. Adding those 4 Big 12 teams will ensure that if/when that day comes, we’ll STILL be the strongest league, with the ability to add the next best teams at will, because by adding them, the Big 12 flounders. And they will NOT be able to backfil the absences of those teams without having to comb through more midmajor leagues. And you can’t build a “power” league by adding “midmajors”.