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[SLC-UteFan]

Good post. I don’t agree 100% with all of it, but no problem. If we all thought exactly alike, this world would be boring.

RE: “It’s only fair for me to return the favor since there are so many Utah fans on our message board and we have a nice healthy dialogue.”

I used to post occassionally on CB a few years ago, but not anymore. I haven’t logged in in awhile. Last time I browsed there about a month ago, it was nothing but throwing tons of trash at Utah. Literally. I was stunned at the amount of Utah trash posts there were. There must have been 50 pages with hundreds of posts filled with Utah-hate. Seriously, I thought “Man, these people need help.” Maybe there is “healthy dialogue” now, but what I saw a month ago was anything but “healthy”. When I used to occassionally post a few years ago, it was mostly OK – but you had to be ready for the occassional trash post back – not a big deal – it’s a rival board and I was of the hated rival fan base, so I expected some of it.

RE: “For years, most of my Utah friends have rubbed the P12 in our faces”

I can certainly understand why your fan base thinks this. And, I wouldn’t doubt if you got “PAC-12!!!” thrown in your faces on occassion by Ute fans. However, I think your fan base really exaggerates this.

For example: I remember seeing a CB post numerous years back that a BYU fan complained about visiting downtown SLC and seeing lots of PAC-12 banners/flags. He posted something like, “They are just trying to rub it in our faces.” This is where I take issue. Fans celebrating a fantastic event/accomplishment aren’t really rubbing it in to their rivals. PAC-12 bumpers stickers and PAC-12 banners were just a celebration. It’s not our fault your fan base sees this as “rubbing it in”. Are Rams fans rubbing it in to Chargers fans when Rams fans display a Super Bowl banner? No. They are just celebrating. CBers getting offended were just jealous, IMO, and/or had a superiority complex like Dick Harmon thinking BYU deserved it more. Expecting Utes fans to not celebrate was unrealistic.

Another popular BYU fan narrative goes something like this: “You don’t see PAC-12 banners all over Seattle, or the Bay Area!”. Well, Washington, Cal, Stanford, etc. have been PAC-12 members for decades – no reason they would flood their cities with PAC-12 banners. Utah? It was new and we rightfully celebrated. A fantastic accomplishment deserves celbration.

I’ll leave an olive branch, and say that I really liked Jim McMahon. My favorite BYU QB legend by far. I was a college football fan in my youth, and I watched every play of the 1980 Holday Bowl/Miracle Bowl. I didn’t turn off the TV when BYU was getting squashed early in the game. It still blows my mind the improbability of that come back: a blocked punt, onside kick recovery, and hail mary – all in the last few minutes of the game. Quite amazing. And to add to the bizarre nature of that game – McMahon and Clay Brown (who caught the hail mary pass) were both Catholics playing at BYU. Anyway, amazing memory.

Thanks for stopping by and giving us your perspective. Even though I disagree with some things, I don’t mind pondering another opinion – it’s healthy to see things from another perspective.

Sorry for the long post. I’m bored today. 🙂

[Tony (admin)]

Quite frankly, I don’t give a damn about byu, its fans, what conference it is in, what their fans say, what their fans think, or what ice cream they eat at the creamery. The only time I pay any attention to byu is the week we play them. When the game is over I celebrate if we win and feel bad if we lose. Then it is time to move on to the next game. From that point on I think NOTHING about them.

[Jim McMahon]

I’ve posted on here a few times in the past and always try to be respectful. I saw a post below about why B12 fans (BYU fans) are so arrogant about expansion and I wanted to shed a little light on it from a BYU fan’s perspective. It’s only fair for me to return the favor since there are so many Utah fans on our message board and we have a nice healthy dialogue.

When we were invited to join the B12 after the announced departure of Texas and Oklahoma, we knew it was a watered down conference and we were only being invited to save face. Neverthelsess, after years of stupid independence, we were elated! Finally, we would have a better seat at the table.

Now this new round of expansion throws a wrench in a lot of things and the future is uncertain for any school not in the SEC or B1G. We know we will never be invited to either of those but if the B12 can stabilize itself and be the third best option, then that’s certainly better than where we were in independence and not a bad place to be. Also, our basketball in that conference with Kansas, Baylor, Cincy, Texas Tech, OK State, West Virginia and Houston is going to be awesome. Certainly way more exciting than the WCC ever was and I mean them no disprespect. They welecomed us with open arms and kicked our butts most years.

Now to the point of gloating. For years, most of my Utah friends have rubbed the P12 in our faces. BYU fans have been sour about not joining that conference along with you. If you’re being honest with yourselves, we were more deserving than Colorado and would have brought a lot more to the table, along with continuing a historic rivalry that would have been amplified in a bigger conference. Colorado sucks, plain and simple. You know it and I know it. We all know it’s our religious affiliattion that kept us out, but it still sucks. So we have had to put up with your program passing us up in talent and recruiting, being in an awesome conference, and kicking our butt for the last decade AND rubbing in the Pac 12 in our faces. So fast forward to today. Sure, both our conferences are unstable after the announcemnt of USC/UCLA, but with rumors of Oregon, Washington, and potentially Stanford/Cal, your conference looks more unstable at the moment. It would be vindicating for many BYU fans to watch the PAC fall apart and see Utah forced back to the MTN West. It might even be a little ironic after ALL the trash talk over the last decade. But that’s a pipe dream on Cougarboard.

Most rational BYU fans know in their hearts that getting Utah over to the B12 would be the best thing for longterm stability. That is what most of us want to happen. But you can’t blame BYU fans for talking trash in the current environment since you guys have basically spiked the football in our faces about P12 over the last decade. You’ve big-timed us. 

**My greatest fear this year: Utah runs the table, makes the CFP, and gets an invite to the B1G.

[Uphoric]

This is interesting. . .  I saw podcast a couple of weeks ago by a prognosticator who said the BiG 10 commissionor held a news conference stating the BiG would like to obtain the pacific west television market, they have So. Cal.

The BiG only needs Cal or Stanford to obtain the market (kind of like Utah, TDS).  The host of the podcast might be right. 

Here’s the interesting part of what he the prognosticator said everyone missed;  the commish also said they want the markets in west and mountain west time zones.  The guy talking said if this is true, the easiest and best choice is Utah over Colorado.

The information today confirms they are not done yet and who knows, perhaps the Utes are in consideration.

[EagleMountainUte]

Nick Saban wouldn’t want a tier system. I would love for only tier one teams to play each other. It would be a giant circle jerk with plenty of losses and injuries. Not sustainable long term. 

[Tony (admin)]

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[Tony (admin)]

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[UtesRule]

5-0 in Paulo Alto
1-3 at Home (Rice Eccles) – The only time we’ve beaten them at home was the game with Travis Wilson when Stanford was in the top 5?

[ProudUte]

This guy is a homer and you know what – that’s fine.  He wants Gator fans to listen and they want hope. BUT

His logic that the Gator-run defense is going to be better because the two guys in the middle (leading tacklers) are gone – makes absolutely no sense.

Utah’s offensive line was bad against SDSU last year – so Florida will destroy them.  If he had done his homework – he would have known that the Utes had injuries with the Oline early in the season.

He claims that our safeties won’t be able to cover the deep ball.  He has Bishop and Hubert playing safety and fails to mention two-time FCS all-American Isbell.

He claims Barton will likely be a starter against FL and because he is a true freshman – he will be destroyed.  Well, first of all, I think Reid and Diabate will be the starters and we have a ton of other guys in the mix.

I do agree that Florida has two advantages over Utah.

1. The humidity.  It is daunting and it will help the Gators.

2. The Utes will struggle preparing for the Gators because of an entire new coaching staff.  However, he fails to mention that it is always difficult for a team to execute a new system.  That is an advantage for Utah because we have 8 of 10 coaches returning as well as the majority of our starters.

He is a homer and is biased.  Nothing can be learned from this video because he is only trying to appease his fan base.  Nothing wrong with that.

 

 

[ProudUte]

He says that there are 8 guys ready to play on the Oline.

Maile is doing great and is a leader on and off the field.

Kump has only had ten practices in the last ten months.  He is in the mix, but is still a bit rusty.

Falcon Kaumatule is in the mix to possibly be a starter.

One of the best lines he has coached at Utah.