Honest question about recruiting against the TDS


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    • #29930
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      Larry B
      Ute Fan
      @larryb

      With the success we’ve had putting guys in the NFL and our conference affiliation, it got me thinking, why would kids (especially in state kids) choose BYU over Utah? What do they have to offer that is so much better than what we can offer? Is it just the religion part of it?

      And yes, I understand our recruiting classes are overall WAY better than theirs, but it’s odd to me that we would lose many head to head battles with them.

      I know I’m biased, and honestly I don’t know if BYU has any players other than  Ziggy currently playing in the NFL, but it seems like a no brainer to me. If I was a high school kid, I’d say conference affiliation? Advantage Utah. NFL opportunity? Advantage Utah. Coaching staff? Advantage Utah.

      The only real advantage I can think of that they have is religion. Although, kids can get a good LDS experience at Utah as well.

    • #29931
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      ironman1315
      Ute Fan
      @ironman1315

      Depending on the position, playing time since our D is stacked for years.

    • #29935
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      noneyadb
      Ute Fan
      @noneyadb

      What head to head battles were lost that were with players BETTER than either what Utah recruitted or already on roster?

      • #29939

        Larry B
        Ute Fan
        @larryb

        I’m not arguing that they got better commits than us. I’m just saying that they won several “head to heads”. If a player of any caliber is being recruited by both teams, why are they choosing BYU?

        • #29949

          Utah
          Ute Fan
          @utah

          Could you name a couple of these players? I think if you do that, you’ll find out that it isn’t as big as it seems. 

          • #29987

            Larry B
            Ute Fan
            @larryb

            Chaz Ah You

            Langi Tuifua

            Alden Tofa

            Isaac Rex

            Tyler Batty

            Just to name a few.

            • #29988
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              Tacoma Ute
              Ute Fan
              @tacomaute

              We didn’t want em anyway.

            • #29997
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              Utah
              Ute Fan
              @utah

              Thanks. Let’s look at these:

              Chaz Ah You. He was never coming to Utah. BYU hired his dad. Not really a loss there.

              Tuifua – he didn’t want to play with Tufele in college. We chose Tufele, Tufele chose USC. Had the coaches known Tufele was going to USC, Tuifua would be a Ute.

              Tofa – This was a miss. BUT, he wasn’t going to play here for awhile anyways. Look at who he’d have to beat out: Anae, Hamilton, Tupai, Hart, Repp, Vimahi, Suguturaga..So, yeah it was a miss, but you can’t blame the kid going to BYU. He has a shot to play right away.

              Rex never had a Utah offer.

              Same with Batty. Batty had an offer, but he didn’t have an offer. Come January, Utah wasn’t interested in him.

              So, in your list, there was one miss, Tofa, and even then, that’s tough to call it a miss, when he’d be our 7th DE.

              All the uproar over all the “misses” this year really aren’t that big of a deal. Heck, they all boil down to one thing: Tufele. If Tufele would have come here, no one would even care about everyone else.

    • #29936
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      cjd1
      Ute Fan
      @cjd1

      If your dad went to BYU and your grandfather went to BYU it could hard to brake the tradition.

    • #29938

      Edutecator
      Ute Fan
      @edutecator

      Just to note, Van Oy is playing with the Patriots.

    • #29942
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      Tony
      Admin/Founder
      @admin

      I’d think family, friends of their faith pressuring them is a big factor.

    • #29944
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      UteBacker
      Ute Fan
      @utebacker

      I’d say for some of these kids there’s a certain church “credibility” that you get from attending BYU.  You are a more of a pure church member if you attend that school.  I happen to think you can be whoever you want no matter what school you go to but this HAS to be one of major reasons you’d choose them over us at this point.  If your goal is to get to the NFL you probably have a better shot playing on a Pac12 team against Pac12 talent on a weekly basis.  If your goal is to become an upstanding church member with a bright future in the upper echelon of church-callings then BYU is your school.  And, yes, I know several key church members are Utes.  I’m just trying to think like a young kid that would choose them over us (Harvey Langi).

      P.S.  I’m not religious but as a life-long Utahn have a pretty good understanding how the church works.

    • #29950
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      Utemachine
      Ute Fan
      @utemachine

      I am a Mo No Mo, and what I recall from my time in their religion is a serious desire to be in an environment that is comprised 99% of your people. The ultimate status of this is BYU. For a staunch LDS kid BYU is the full Mormon experience. In theory all of your teammates are married or virgins like you. They don’t drink, party, and read from the same book you do. Frankly I’m always surprised when Utah does win head to head for that type of kid.

      • #29951
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        Stradlater
        Ute Fan
        @stradlater

        ^^this^^  The BYU experience i.e. “the bubble”.

    • #29957
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      Utahute72
      Ute Fan
      @utahute72

      If you try to figure out the decision making process for most 18-19 year olds you will drive yourself nuts. Mix in parents trying to push their kid one way or the other and you get some very strange results.

    • #29964

      Duhwayne
      Ute Fan
      @duhwayne

      Playing time.

    • #29982
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      Rick
      Ute Fan
      @rickyrules

      What big time recruit have we lost to tds-P since joining the Pac 12?  I really can’t think of any off the top of my head.  Langi came to Utah first and was recruited on his mission to switch over to tds-P.  We have lost more kids to USC and Stanford than the zoobs.

      • #29998

        Utah
        Ute Fan
        @utah

        Yeah, BYU is no real concern to Utah. Utah’s biggest job going forward is to win the freaking south so that we can keep kids home. Imagine if we’d kept Tufele, Jones, Lund and Katoa home. Then we’d be a top 15, top 10 class.

        BYU is largely irrelevant. We need to protect against PAC-12, Big 10, etc schools. Not BYU.

    • #30292

      COUte
      Ute Fan
      @coute

      For guys like Tofa, it was the best opportunity, close to home, where he has a realistic shot at starring. At Utah, he wouldn’t see the field for at least a year, maybe two.

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