My apologies to ESPN


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    • #32928
      3 10

      Anonymous
    • #32930
      8 4

      justaute
      Ute Fan
      @justaute
      • #32933
        5 12

        Anonymous

        LMFAO at the Breitbart push back on a non-political article.  Pathetic.

        • #32935
          6 3

          justaute
          Ute Fan
          @justaute

          boohooo…oh no.

        • #32938
          13 9

          Utah
          Ute Fan
          @utah

          It’s not pushback. It’s just Brietbart isn’t news. It isn’t a reliable news source. For all we know, that article was on the journalistic level of The Onion. 

          Really not a big deal. 

          • #32940
            8 2

            Hammer
            Ute Fan
            @hammer

            Bw

            • #32948
              5 1

              AZswayze
              Ute Fan
              @AZswayze

              Would this be a straw-man? ‘Cause it sounds like a straw-man in meme form.

              • #32980
                1 1

                Hammer
                Ute Fan
                @hammer

                Are you refuting that Brian Williams was in an X-Wing or are you starting a new argument?

                • #32984
                  4 2

                  AZswayze
                  Ute Fan
                  @AZswayze

                  It’s hard to tell who’s more intellectually dishonest, you or troutute. Your response was clearly inferring that Utah listens to fake news while deriding fake news. For as much s**t as y’all give liberals here you’d think you would at least practice some  decorum in discourse.

                  • #32991
                    1 1

                    Hammer
                    Ute Fan
                    @hammer

                    Just so I’m understanding you correctly. You are critisizing me for (1) being intellectualy dishonest and (2) not practicing decorum in discourse? 

                    Because I posted a funny meme?

                    • #32993
                      5 1

                      AZswayze
                      Ute Fan
                      @AZswayze

                      No, I’m accusing you of being intellectually dishonest, because your meme was clearly intended to point out some level of hypocrisy. Sac up and own it.

                      • #32995
                        1 1

                        Hammer
                        Ute Fan
                        @hammer

                        Please explain to me the intellectual dishonesty in comparing Breitbart to a Brian Williams made up story? What’s the difference in your opinion?

                      • #32998
                        4 2

                        AZswayze
                        Ute Fan
                        @AZswayze

                        Oh, for f**ks sake. You know exactly what you were doing, and we’re not dense enough to believe otherwise, but I’ll connect the dots for folks who may not care to pay as much attention. You’re a self-professed staunch conservative, and Utah often takes opposing positions in political debates. He bashes Breitbart, and you reply with a meme featuring an MSNBC host. MSNBC is widely perceived as left leaning, while Breitbart is insanely right. Even though Utah never mentioned any other news source, you drew a straw man by throwing Williams into the mix. Transparent as hell, and poorly executed, as there was no other reason or stimulus to post it.

                      • #33003
                        1

                        Hammer
                        Ute Fan
                        @hammer

                        Well, I certainly wasn’t doing it to ruffle some feathers and get some brash reactionary comments from libs.

          • #32942
            9 14

            Anonymous

            Opinion ^^^^^ of a liberal snowflake millennial who thinks CNN is real news.

            • #32945
              12 3

              Pace Manyung
              Ute Fan
              @a2ute

              keep it up… only a couple away from BINGO

               

               

              Image result for alt reich bingo

          • #32972
            7 6

            Utah
            Ute Fan
            @utah

            I feel really bad for the 7 people who actually think Brietbart is news. Pathetic. 

            • #32976
              2 2

              Pace Manyung
              Ute Fan
              @a2ute

              Unfortunately this conspiracy theory ideology is only growing throughout the US and globally. The Koch brothers got it started with the Tea Party and now it has simply spun out of control. The truly sad part is that this brietbar element controls the White House. Very troubling times.

              • #32990
                3 2

                Utah
                Ute Fan
                @utah

                What blows my mind, is that it is so easy to debunk what they say. We have so much information at our hands, yet we’d rather believe something that backs up our views, even if it isn’t true, then search for the truth. Crazy. 

                • #33000
                  5 3

                  Pace Manyung
                  Ute Fan
                  @a2ute

                  The real troubling part about the alt. right is there nonstop effort to delegitimize truth. Trump has made it acceptable to dismiss facts. He has enabled an environment where truth is only of important when it helps your agenda. The more I see trump in action the more I understand why he idolizes what Putin is doing.

                  • #33017
                    3 1

                    Puget Ute
                    Ute Fan
                    @pugetute

                    I think people should stop using the hip 21st-century term ‘alt-Right’ for what is in essence just good old-fashioned white supremist racism.

        • #32947
          11 3

          AZswayze
          Ute Fan
          @AZswayze

          It’s just that your credibility is lacking, and becomes even more glaring when you post articles from Breitbart (much less sports related material). The last time you posted something to confirm a claim you made, it was a link to an article that in no way related to your statement. It was like you posted it hoping we wouldn’t actually read it.

    • #32931
      5 2

      Utah
      Ute Fan
      @utah

      This is about as old news as can be. ESPN has done this for awhile and announced months ago that they would continue to do so. 

      ESPN will have to change their business model as us stinking millenials continue to refuse to watch a 4 hour commercial for a 30 min sporting event. 

      I think this is just the beginning. I think the days of 20 million per P5 school are coming to a close. The PAC-12 is hopefully lucky enough to get one more big deal before this all blows up. 

      It wouldn’t shock me if ESPN tries to buy out/bankrupt out of their NBA deal and restructure that and we will see salaries drop over the next 10-20 years. 

      This bubble is about to pop. 

      • #32934
        6 19

        Anonymous

        Millennials don’t have two nickels to rub together, but they’re damn good at posting selfies to Instagram. Someday they’ll figure out that society places no value on that.

        ESPN is losing the younger viewing audience for two reasons: 1) they have no money, 2) ESPN has gone politically liberal.

        • #32936
          10

          Newbomb Turk
          Ute Fan
          @newbombturk

          Yep, ESPN is politically liberal. They are always showing a preference to the Cincinnati Reds.

        • #32937
          5

          Tony
          Admin/Founder
          @admin

          ESPN lost me years ago because it no longer was about the sports which they were reporting on, it was about their “personalities.”  I got tired of of the schtick.  Berman’s trademark thing gold old.  Really old.

        • #32946
          6 1

          AZswayze
          Ute Fan
          @AZswayze

          Still waiting for proof of your massive wealth. I’m still wondering why you had to take a job just for health insurance when you have claimed multiple times that you’re extremely well off. Health insurance is expensive, but it ain’t that expensive.

          • #32950
            1 4

            Anonymous

            Screen shot of account page this AM.

            <img src="<img src=”http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm50/BigThres/MS_zps4icygisd.jpg” border=”0″ alt=” photo MS_zps4icygisd.jpg” />” alt=”MS” />

            Add in two homes worth about $2.5MM with just $96K mortgage left on one.

            • #32951
              2 1

              AZswayze
              Ute Fan
              @AZswayze

              If this is legitimate, why are you working just for health insurance? I can buy a family policy for around a grand a month. I would think your time is worth WAY more than that if you’re worth nearly seven million bucks.

              • #32952
                2 2

                Anonymous

                It’s legit. It’s just money. Never been a big spender, so it doesn’t seem real. I just like investing and have done well. However, it is largely invested for growth, not income. Dividends get reinvested. Just living off the current earned income. And you’re right, I didn’t have to take a job to get health insurance. I just hate paying out of pocket for it.

                My wife just retired. She’s looking to buy a ranch in MT to escape CA and its crowds, traffic and high taxes. I work because I like the work I’m doing and I get free medical. I manage a portion of the equity accounts myself, though that is increasing. Lot of due diligence reading to properly do that.

                We have elderly care issues with her 95 year old mother that keep us in CA. If CA imposes a 40% estate tax that they’re threatening to do, then all bets are off and my wife will immediately take her mother out of State. Cost of not doing so would be exhorbitant.

                • #32953
                  4 1

                  AZswayze
                  Ute Fan
                  @AZswayze

                  I’ll take this at face value, although I could have sworn you said you were working just for health insurance, but I could be wrong. It’s still tough to take you seriously when you make so many outrageous claims. You have said that you witnessed tons of illegals being given free fertility treatments, and when I asked for evidence you presented an article on Nadya Suleman, who isn’t an illegal alien. I looked for any proof to support your claim, and it turns out that even the ACA has specific prohibitions against this.

                  You also claimed to have been hit by seven uninsured illegal aliens. I have lived in the southwest my entire life, and spent roughly four of those years in neighborhoods that were predominately hispanic (west Long Beach, various areas of Phoenix). I have never, not once, been hit by an illegal alien. Maybe I’m just WAY luckier than you, or maybe you need to pay better attention while driving through the barrio. Bottom line is that I think you’re largely full of s**t, but I’ll trust this jpg of a Morgan Stanley account, because even if you shopped it it’s at least a good effort.

                  • #32958
                    2 6

                    Anonymous

                    Looky there, the value changes by the minute….

                    MS

                    Let it go pal, it’s the internet. You’re still a liberal.

                    • #32960
                      3 2

                      rolandovich
                      Ute Fan
                      @rolandovich

                      Who complained about being hit by an uninsured illegal alien? And why didn’t the hitee have under/uninsured motorist coverage? S**t happens. I’d expect someone of assets valued at several million dollars to carry insurance that would make the at-fault driver’s origins a non-concern.

                      • #32962
                        2 2

                        Anonymous

                        Uninsured motorist coverage is a given in California. Umbrella coverage is a given for me.

                      • #32963
                        1 1

                        rolandovich
                        Ute Fan
                        @rolandovich

                        You’re covered? So why do you care?

                      • #32982
                        1 2

                        Anonymous

                        You’re asking me why I should care that I have to pay for uninsured motorist insurance? It’s an out of pocket cost that I would otherwise not incur if there were no uninsured motorists. That I have to explain this to you tells me everything I need to know about your intellectual ability.

                      • #33052
                        1

                        PorterRockwell
                        Ute Fan
                        @porterrockwell

                        You’re complaining about having to carry uninsured notoriety coverage? What’s that cost you? Sixty bucks a year?
                        You may be the biggest whiner I’ve interacted with in a long time. You’ve no board name which gives you even greater anonymity and LESS accountability for your posts

                        Three things I serious doubt about you:
                        Your wealth. Isn’t that hard to photoshop and clone a screen shot
                        Your sanity. Your posts here speak for themselves
                        That you’re a Ute fan. No way in hell are you a Utah fan

                    • #32961
                      11 1

                      AZswayze
                      Ute Fan
                      @AZswayze

                      I’m a liberal? Why, because I think you’re full of s**t? We went through this a while back, but it’s funny to me how y’all label me a liberal in a weak attempt to devalue my claims. You constantly label others to try to divert from the fact that you are unable to support your positions.

                      As to me actually being a liberal, that’s laughable as well. Most of the issues that I’m “liberal” on are not anti-conservative. My stances are largely conservative at their root, and were only hijacked by the GOP when the religious right came to power. Biggest example: being pro-choice was once a conservative value, and the original pro-life activists were largely liberal Catholic priests. I’m fiscally conservative, but not libertarian. Really, the only issue that I firmly believe in that is at odds with true conservatism is socialized health care. You falsely believe that this modern conservative movement has the slightest interest in personal freedoms or fiscal responsibility, and berate anybody who questions GOP motives.

                      This modern social conservatism is nothing more than theocracy masquerading as conservatism. It’s the antithesis of what America stands for, and supporting it is the furthest thing from patriotism that I can imagine, short of outright treason.

                      • #32965
                        1 7

                        Anonymous

                        Why so angry?

                        I fondly remember election night. Went to bed late, still not knowing the final result. I’d flip to CNN to watch their meltdown. Pundits were describing how market futures were down 500 points and it was going to be a route. I thought about it, then concluded there would be no problem as Trump would be the most pro-business candidate we’ve seen in a long while. I went to bed with a smile of confidence. Woke up to a market that was soaring. I hate being right 😉 Vote your wallet. Yuge! Bigely!

                      • #32968
                        9 2

                        AZswayze
                        Ute Fan
                        @AZswayze

                        Again, trying to divert by saying my post was angry. I presented an argument, and you shifted, again.

                        If you’re part of the 1% and your only motivation in life is money, which is how it appears, then I see why you’re happy with Trump. Outside of that he is an unmitigated disaster. Then, what are we to expect from somebody whose advice on democracy is to “vote with your wallet”. You helped put a mentally ill, woefully ignorant narcissist in the White House, because you knew he’d add value to your portfolio. That is reprehensible.

                        You have claimed that poor children should have had better parents, and have flat out lied to degrade huge populations of people. You have zero empathy for others, and your entire self-worth revolves around the accumulation of paper. It’s actually very sad. See, that’s what we call empathy.

                      • #32978
                        2 3

                        Anonymous

                        And my other options were Socialist Bernie, or the corrupt Hillary? The answer was obvious.

                      • #32994
                        3 1

                        AZswayze
                        Ute Fan
                        @AZswayze

                        Hillary is corrupt, no doubt. She’s also seasoned, intelligent, and most importantly, sane. Trump is corrupt, as well. He’s also nuts, monumentally ignorant, and quite possibly a traitor. But hey, he’ll save you some duckets on your tax returns each year, so what the hell.

                      • #32966
                        5 2

                        rolandovich
                        Ute Fan
                        @rolandovich

                        I’m liberal.

                      • #32967
                        3 8

                        Anonymous

                        My condolences. Seriously.

                • #33053

                  PorterRockwell
                  Ute Fan
                  @porterrockwell

                  Just based on your posts here I’m going to speculate that you won’t be well accepted in Montana. They aren’t fond of californicsting their state with the likes of you. Don’t ruin Montana for everyone else. You’ll be happier in someplace like Kikkeen Texas or Colorado City or El Paso. Anywhere but Montana

      • #32983

        Stone
        Ute Fan
        @stone

        I agree about the bubble. The college sports arms race is unsustainable if the network $ dries up. And by unsustainable, I mean, loads of athletic programs will be in deep debt doo-doo without a sure way to repay it (other than hike tuition or go to the government). I love college sports, but it is pretty crazy to think how they have evolved from essentially an intramural/physical education component of an academic institution to the scale it is today.

    • #32941
      6 5

      Pace Manyung
      Ute Fan
      @a2ute

       

       brietbart??

      Image result for shaking head gif

      • #32943
        3 13

        Anonymous

        How did that big election fail work out for you big boy? Have you joined some Antifa protests?

    • #32949
      4 1

      AZswayze
      Ute Fan
      @AZswayze

      Can they get on your health insurance too, or would that require you to take a second job?

    • #32954
      4

      Wilson’s Mustache
      Ute Fan
      @sigmaute

      I’ll never understand why people complain so much about millenials. It must just be a generational thing that happens to ever older generations. Everyone always has a superiority complex over future generations.

      • #32971
        3 2

        Utah
        Ute Fan
        @utah

        Especially when, if you look at millenials, they are off to a better start than most generations before them. They will end up saving the country and be the next “greatest generation”. 

        It’s even funnier, when you realize that the people bagging on the millenials are usually baby boomers, who were born into greater wealth, opportunity, jobs, etc and have done nothing but take. Lowered the tax rates, spent that money, bought bigger houses and now are getting to retirement age and have nothing but a mortgage and credit card debt, and like they’ve done their whole lives, expect everyone else to pay for it. 

        • #32977
          2 2

          Anonymous

          Dude, you’re generalizing on boomers.

          I grew up with very little. I wore hand-me-down clothes. I ran 4 different paper routes to earn spending money and invested the rest. I bought my own car(s) and paid for my own insurance. I paid for my undergrad education and my employer paid for my MBA. I learned how to wrench on my car(s) because I had to. To this day, I still wrench on my own cars. Don’t give me that crap that millennials grew up with less. Their problem is that they grew up with more and never learned how to create value with less.

          • #32981
            3 2

            Pace Manyung
            Ute Fan
            @a2ute

            zzzzzzzzzzzz

            Image result for want a cookie`

          • #32986
            5 1

            Puget Ute
            Ute Fan
            @pugetute

            You are also a product of your time frame. Yes, you worked your ass off for your entire career and that is commendable.

            But that same type of situation does not exist today, thanks largely to the way in which the economy has been bled dry over the last 50 years. Back then the costs of products largely followed the wage curve (and vice-versa). Today however the wages are greatly decreased when compared against prices (particularly housing and healthcare). People starting out today pay a vastly greater percentage of their income toward housing than 20, 30, or 40 years ago. That fact alone steals from their future investment opportunities and makes it even less likely they will be able to ‘pull themselves up by their boot straps’ the way you did.

            People who are mid-career and higher today (late 30s and up) came of age in an entirely different economic situation than will people starting out today.

            • #33033

              Minnesota Ute
              Ute Fan
              @minnesotaute

              Yup, that is so true.  But unfortunately the vast majority of people do not understand why that is, and therefore have no idea what if anything they can do about it.  The reason in my opinion that costs have fallen away from the wage curve is because the cost of things no longer follow productivity, because productivity has fallen due to the high degree of effort that must be put into things that have no productive benefit.  These would include everything related to government compliance.  So we are talking about everything HR wise that is required to comply with EEO, ADA, Tax, Medical Care, FMLA, just to name a few.  And without going into all the details, this also includes everything to do with Environmental Compliance, Health & Safety Compliance, Legal/Liability, Tax Compliance, etc etc.

              I’ve discussed this here before that these same effects also drive economies of scale such that larger companies can afford larger departments to handle the compliance in all these areas.  Which on one hand does lower costs, at least initially, but then also drives monopoly in the long run which leads to higher prices.  And further, it directly exacerbates the wage gap because the larger the corporation, the more layers, the more distance between the top level management and front line workers.

              In addition, in the specific areas you mention such as housing & healthcare, there are a lot of problems that come from government manipulating those markets.  Government artificially keeping interest rates low and having programs that are directed at increasing home ownership in low income groups increases the number of people that can borrow and buy, therefore pushing the price up.  But hell, that’s all good because the bank, who ultimately expects a bailout when it all blows up, says I can afford it.  In healthcare, the simple fact of allowing employers tax breaks for providing compensation in the form of insurance creates a much less competitive market for insurance.  And the whole insurance system disassociates the consumer from the actual cost of providing the healthcare which leads to higher prices.

              And in all of this, I’m not necessarily passing judgement on the benefits of govenment, just explaining what I think is going on.  But let me go ahead and do that here, my opinion is that while there may be some role/benefit to government, the fundemental fact of government is that it never shrinks and never gets less, because it will always find new problems to solve.  And a good bit of the time, the solutions only make the problem worse, and even if it solves the problem, the program never goes away or gets cut when the problem disappears.  In fact, you almost never even have a pause in the growth because it’s always something new.  

              Personally, I think we really need to look around and say enough is enough.  Air is cleaner, water is cleaner, people are healthier and living longer, can we just at least say stop, we don’t need any more regulations for a while, or at least start simplifying and eliminating old regulation?  Can we at least start with the military industrial complex and agree that system needs to be dismantled before they, and their cronies in washington, lead us into yet another conflict just to sell some more munitions.  Can we at least agree that taxes should be simpler even if not lower?  Can we at least agree that the family farm is dead and crop subsidies are horribly distorting the agriculture market and leading to unhealthy food system?  Could we just agree on something, anything, that isn’t just more government?

        • #33011
          1

          pedro
          Ute Fan
          @pedro

          30% of adult millendials still live at home.  Not exactly my definition of a sucessfull grownup.

          • #33015
            1

            AZswayze
            Ute Fan
            @AZswayze

            This is as bad as the anti-ACA folks who bash it by claiming that premiums are skyrocketing, when the fact of the matter is that premiums have been increasing for many years and the ACA has slowed that overall increase dramatically. Yes, roughly 30% of millenials live with their folks, BUT the major reason is not linked to financial success. The number one contributing factor is the trend of waiting until an older age to get married. In fact, if you look at a chart comparing median age of marriage to this age range living with parents, you would see that they move in inverse directions.

            With that said, employment does play a role, but much of that is tied to the great recession. It wasn’t all that long ago that our economy teetered on a cliff, following a massive financial bubble. This caused a large spike in young adults seeking advanced education. Couple this with a constantly increasing wage vs cost of living gap, and it’s no wonder more these kids are choosing to live at home. Bottom line is that the world isn’t black and white, and trying to boil down a complex issue to one vague statistic is asinine.

          • #33016

            Riot West
            Ute Fan
            @riotwest

            Should’ve raised them better!

            Also, where else would adults live? Does that mean if 30% live at home, the other 70% live on the streets?

    • #32970
      3 2

      Utah
      Ute Fan
      @utah

      Dude, I’m starting to think you are a troll of the highest magnitude. Also, you posted this for one reason: 

      To get into a left/right debate. Why the hell did you put it in the football category? 

      Once again, those who whine the loudest break the rules the most. 

      • #32975
        4 1

        Anonymous

        Your memory is quite short. Your post and the the other anti-Breitbart post detoured this into a political thread. The initial post was merely a follow-on explanation as to why the ESPN coverage has been lacking. Then you brought up Millennials and their unwillingness to pay for ESPN content. And so on. Look no further than yourself for the trolling detours.

      • #32985
        2

        Puget Ute
        Ute Fan
        @pugetute

        And, POOF!, he was gone.

    • #32996

      SkinyUte
      Ute Fan
      @skinyute

      Aw man, I miss all the fun.

      • #33001
        1

        Riot West
        Ute Fan
        @riotwest

        Looks like the Internet got too mean today.

        • #33005
          5 1

          Puget Ute
          Ute Fan
          @pugetute

          Was it too hot for a snowflake?

          • #33006
            7 3

            SkinyUte
            Ute Fan
            @skinyute

            The fact that those who scream the loudest about “snowflakes” and “safe spaces” are the ones who leave the site in a huff never stops being funny.

            • #33012

              Anonymous

              Very funny! And using the term “snowflake” itself is a sign of insecurity.

    • #33057

      Tony
      Admin/Founder
      @admin

      Who is the anonymous user in this discussion? Anonymous users are not supposed to be able to post. Unless there’s one user whose name actually is Anonymous.

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