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    • #124468
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      Hal Evans
      Ute Fan
      @dixieute

      I am tired of all this crap. If they did research on any one of us over the last 10 years they could find a statement or an action or a photo to bury us as well if they wanted to. In this day and age social media could get any of us

    • #124471
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      SkinyUte
      Ute Fan
      @skinyute

      Y’know, I’ve said and done lots of stupid things that I regret over the years.

      Yet I remain 100% confident that not a single one of those things involved dropping a racial slur.

    • #124473
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      RiseasUtes
      Ute Fan
      @riseasutes

      None of us are state employees getting over $1 million per year.  You can search anything you want and you won’t find that word on anything I’ve ever written or posted in my life.  Not saying that Scalley deserves to be fired, but it does deserve to be investigated.  

      • #124475
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        Ute2
        Ute Fan
        @ute2

        Cancel cancel culture!  

        Not saying scalley stuff shouldn’t be vetted.  But as it stands, if you add up the math, especially as he’s learned and grown the last few years(I do remember hearing some pretty negative things early on) he’s done far more good for African American young men then he’s done negative.  And he’ll do so much more if his career isn’t torpedoed by this.  

        cancel culture is just a nasty, nasty business.

        lets all look inward to check our prejudices, fix them and be better, rather then looking to smack the guy next to us upside the head over something uncouth from way back when.  

         

        cancel cancel culture! 

        • #124476
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          ShakyChungus13
          Ute Fan
          @shakyute13

          The best part about cancel culture is they eat each other. You’re part of the group and then all of the sudden you’re the one being cancelled…

        • #124477
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          SkinyUte
          Ute Fan
          @skinyute

          “Cancel culture is so mean.  Who doesn’t use the occasional n-word around their co-workers?” isn’t a great defense, tbh.  

          Utah football is a business.  If it turns out that Scalley’s actions (whether a single incident or a pattern of behavior) are bad for business by potentially hurting recruiting, then he’ll be gone. If school administration feels it can recover, then he’ll stay.  Simple as that, and I don’t think any of us know how they’re leaning.

          Part of the reason I’m so confident that you’ll never find the n-word anywhere in my professional history is because I’m equally as confident that if it was ever discovered that I used it, I’d be fired from my job on the spot.  And it’s likely that I would never work in my industry again.   The amount of good I’ve done in my role over my 15 years career here wouldn’t even factor into it.  I’d be gone instantly because it puts my employer at significant risk of losing future business because of how phenomenally bad my judgment would have been by using such a slur.

          • #124486
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            CB_Ute
            Ute Fan
            @solidhobo

            It’s a bad word, but do you seriously think 15 years of contributing to the success of a business wouldn’t even be a factor into you being fired for saying the n-word? Come on people, don’t give this word so much damn power. No one should say it, but to lose your job for saying it 7 years ago is a bit extreme.

            • #124490
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              EagleMountainUte
              Ute Fan
              @battlegroundute

              HBO is banning Gone With the Wind for hell’s sake. This post modernist wilderness we have “woke” into isn’t going away. Clearly these cities that have been in control of Democrats for years and years have been so oppressive and racist that it is boiling over. I know there is a solution it is called voting them out. That isn’t enough they have to cancel the Police now. 

              The experiment of Marxism wasn’t enough in the 20th century for these people.  

    • #124487
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      Ute2
      Ute Fan
      @ute2

      “Cancel culture is so mean. Who doesn’t use the occasional n-word around their co-workers?” Yeah, this sentence is some BS for a lot of reasons. Not the least of which is that it completely mis-characterizes what is known about the Scalley situation.

      If it the evidence shows that scalley is a racist then fire his racist ass.

      But as it stands now, we might fire a guy where the majority of people that know him best are coming and and declaring that:

      1. He is not a racist &
      2. He has had a tremendous impact on helping them grow into solid men. And what’s more is that he’ll continue to help Many many more young men grow and be better if he’s given the chance.

      We live in a stupid society that would sooner crush a persons life over a single mistake then take actual stock of who that person really is and what they actually stand for. Cause I guess one is easy and the other takes to much thought and patience and intellectual honesty.

      Judging somebody over a single idiotic lapse In judgement(and don’t tell me you’ve never had one…lord almighty) rather than who he actually is as a man sounds almost as stupid as judging a man base on ethnicity rather than who he is as a man.

      Both are evil, intellectually dishonest and are completely bs.

      If we can’t judge somebody in a societal basis based on who somebody actually is then we’re screwed.

      Start with yourself. Clean up your prejudices, micro-aggressions and nasty ways of thinking.

      Then HELP the person next you you. With knowledge. AND grace AND service. AND LISTEN because this stuff is way too complicated to just pass a 5 second judgement on what you read on Twitter.

      Cancel culture is trash because it gives no room for growth, no slack for learning and being better, no freedom for alternative points of view and no room for the actual truth. No room to say, “hey you have a good point, I’m going to be better and improve”, which should be celebrated. It’s nefarious, intellectually lazy and divisive as hell.

      This world need more honest dialogue, more opportunity to learn without a gun to your head, more patting on the back for growth, more positivity. If we do that then we really can fix racial divides, bridge gaps and get where we’re wanting to go.

      • #124493

        PlainsUte
        Ute Fan
        @plainsute

        Well, I don’t.  Then again I’m old and I’m not around African Americans or others who tend to use the word a lot.

    • #124488
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      GameForAnyFuss
      Ute Fan
      @gameforanyfuss

      Keep in mind, there are two things working against Scalley here:

      1. He used the word at work, in the context of work, to refer to a “coworker” (a recruit).
      2. He works for a university. Like it or not, universities are hypersensitive to racial issues

      I’m not saying anything about what I think the outcome should be. I’m glad it’s not my call. Just noting that universities tend to not be very lenient on matters of race, especially if those matters occurred while on the job.

    • #124491
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      Ute2
      Ute Fan
      @ute2

      I mean you’re right. There is a case of what should be and what’s prudent for the school at this time.

      1. If scalley is unable to effectively execute his job now then he’ll be fired. The school isn’t wrong for doing what it needs to do there necessarily. But on a moral level it’s absolute garbage that we live in a time where it would go down like that…unless the facts of the case change.

      2. What should happen is that scalley should be able to speak, demonstrate what he has learned, everybody should honestly judge what he says, giving him the benefit of the doubt(if he is a true racist, we’d know it) and then the world should move on. And he should keep the clout he he has a as a tremendous person, mentor and coach. Because that’s far truer to who he is then anything that would suggest racism. (Unless some other crap is unearthed)

      So sum it up, I get that there are stupid realities we’re dealing that Whitt and Harlan have to navigate it.

      But let’s do our part as people to not think In stupid and lazy ways so that the next person, from whatever walk of life or place, gets a fair and honest judgement rather then some lazy garbage one.

      • #124499
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        SkinyUte
        Ute Fan
        @skinyute

        Do I – as a middle-class, middle-aged white male – feel like Scalley deserves some leniency here?  That he should get an opportunity to learn and grow from his mistake?  Absolutely.  I always encourage people to change and improve.  

        But I’m not a minority athlete who now knows that the coach who has been recruiting me is comfortable using the n-word to other coaches and (from at least two accounts) to other players.  While you and I can sit here and say “it was just a mistake”, I can’t even pretend to put myself into that athlete’s shoes and understand how much that knowledge might hurt.

        We will also never know how that knowledge will impact the player’s decision to dedicate the next four years of his life to the University of Utah.  Depending on the player, there’s a very real chance that no amount of “but he’s a great guy, honest!” platitudes will change how they feel about the situation.

        If the administration feels that there is a risk that enough recruits could end up feeling this way to hurt the program, Scalley will go.  That’s not some sort of overzealous “cancel culture” at work…that’s the unfortunate consequence of Scalley’s actions.  Regardless of how great you or I might think he is.   

        <span style=”color: #333333;font-family: ‘Helvetica Neue’, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;text-align: justify;background-color: #fcfcfc”>”Judging somebody over a single idiotic lapse In judgement(and don’t tell me you’ve never had one…lord almighty)”</span>

        <span style=”color: #333333;font-family: ‘Helvetica Neue’, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;text-align: justify;background-color: #fcfcfc”>OK, once more for the cheap seats. We have ALL had idiotic lapses in judgement. Every single one of us. Me included.</span>

        <span style=”color: #333333;font-family: ‘Helvetica Neue’, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;text-align: justify;background-color: #fcfcfc”>But quit assuming that all of us have lapses that include racial slurs, because – believe it or not – there’s lots of people for whom using that sort of language is never even a consideration.</span>

        • #124503
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          UteThunder
          Ute Fan
          @utethunder

          When people say things like “we’ve all made mistakes” they aren’t implying that you or anyone else has used a racial slur. They are saying that we have all said or done something stupid enough that if it came to light, we might be the next person to be ‘cancelled’ by the SJW mob.

          Ever told a joke at the expense of a religion? Cat-called a female? Told a dirty joke? Used the R word?

          These are all just a few examples of the ever growing list of mistakes that could get someone cancelled if it was made public that you did it. And the point is, wouldn’t we all hope for understanding and forgiveness for our mistakes? And if we would, then why shouldn’t we show that same understanding and forgiveness to others?

          I get the argument that this might make Scalley an ineffective recruiter, but I think he should be given the chance to show that isn’t the case. 

          • #124509
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            SkinyUte
            Ute Fan
            @skinyute

            Ever told a joke at the expense of a religion? Cat-called a female? Told a dirty joke? Used the R word?

            At work? WTF…absolutely not. Is that common practice where you work?

            And the point is, wouldn’t we all hope for understanding and forgiveness for our mistakes? And if we would, then why shouldn’t we show that same understanding and forgiveness to others?

            Yes, I would hope for understanding and forgiveness. I would also understand that my company would be 100% within their rights to decide not to grant it, and to show me the door. Them’s the consequences of choosing to be a dick at work.

            I get the argument that this might make Scalley an ineffective recruiter, but I think he should be given the chance to show that isn’t the case.

            You may be willing to risk the future success of a multi-million dollar organization and one of the largest money makers at the school on that, but I’m not so sure the administration will be.

            • #124510
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              UteThunder
              Ute Fan
              @utethunder

              It doesn’t have to have happened at work. There are many examples of people that got fired for something they did in their personal life that ended up catching the SJW mob’s attention. That negative attention works its way back to the offender’s employer and next thing they know their services are no longer needed.

              p.s. Of course those types of things aren’t common practice where I work. Those were just examples of behaviors that if someone were to do them anywhere, whether it be in the workplace or on social media or in an old college yearbook or wherever, it could go viral and get them fired.

              • #124515
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                SkinyUte
                Ute Fan
                @skinyute

                The situation with Scalley happened at work, was said by him to his co-workers and/or employees (i.e. players), and was likely transmitted through a phone owned by his employer.  If anyone I know was discovered to have done that – no matter how long ago it was – they’d have been fired already.  The fact that he’s getting as much benefit of the doubt as he has is quite extraordinary, imo.

                Going after someone because of things they say on social media or outside the workplace is a different discussion, and one that certainly has more complexity and nuance.

                • #124529
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                  UteThunder
                  Ute Fan
                  @utethunder

                  So what? I know people who have done significantly worse and never even came close to being fired. I also know people who have done far less and were fired on the spot. 

      • #124502
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        User Suspended
        Ute Fan
        @a2ute

        Scalley is bad for business – doesn’t matter how he demonstrates how sorry he his – he still dropped the n word and negative recruiting will kill the program…. it just will.

        It really sucks for Scalley, but this is a very easy call for the AD to make.

         

        • #124507
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          MontanaUte
          Ute Fan
          @montanaute

          I normally don’t agree with Pace but he is making a lot of senes.

          Everyone is also forgetting, this might have been a University of Utah provided cell phone. The school might have no choice if he violated its code of conduct. If you went to work and watched porn on your work computer you would be fired. I figure texting racial slurs would also get you fired if you used a work phone to do it.

          • #124513
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            UteThunder
            Ute Fan
            @utethunder

            Don’t be so sure. I know of a few examples of people who have used their work computer for that type of stuff and weren’t fired. They were reprimanded and/or suspended but not fired. These are government employees, just like Scalley.

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