[Holladay Ute]

I said this in a different post somewhere else. None of us really know and so it’s all speculation based on available information. What we do know is that Utah retained most of it’s top players from last year (and not for a lack of interest from other teams). Fano and Lomu are both projected first-round draft picks. Snowden obviously had plenty of options. And there were rumors of Barton being wooed away as well. All of these players stayed. If we were living on a different planet versus BYU or others, then I think it is highly unlikely these players would still be Utes. Furthermore, don’t forget that we also bought a number of players in the portal that I’m sure other teams were also going after (like Dampier and Parker). I am not convinced that BYU’s football program has gobs more NIL than us. If they did, I think they would have done better in the transfer portal? Their basketball program clearly has a ton of NIL support right now (but we’ll see if that proves sustainable, as others have posited here).

[Utebeam]

I’m guessing there’s a big push to give NIL from alum, but it won’t be consistent. Mormons(I’m LDS) are cheap and won’t be willing to shell out cash for the long run. If ybu doesn’t have a good season this year I think money starts to dry up.

[Jim Vanderhoof]

I would make Jay Hill a priority for DC. I think he comes back home for equal or more money. BYU will not be outbid!! He is worshipped in Provo. Their donors won’t let that happen. He would have taken the Utah State job if it wasn’t for transfer portal and NIL. Tough to win at USU without a large NIL budget. He will get some lucrative offers next year from G5 to P4. If the Utes bounce back this year and are successful it makes it much easier to promote within. Swan and Shah are excellent candidates and are loyal to the program.

[DataUte]

I think the revenue sharing and oversight of what we can call endorsement deals (Deloitte) will help bring some of this under a little better control. Collectives and just people giving cash to hand out will not be allowed the same it has in this wild west version of NIL. Direct pay for play will have to go back under the table.

[DataUte]

I like internal/family culture, but it’s nice to get coordinators with experience at this level. Someone with the same style for the personnel we have, recruiting chops, etc. If it’s a perfect fit, sure, hire from within, but sometimes fresh ideas are welcome.

[Jim Vanderhoof]

Utahs success teamed with BYUs lack of national notoriety has been eating at their fans for many years. Getting in the Big12 put them back on equal footing with us. Suddenly $$ starts playing a major factor in team success. The theme has changed from “we won’t allow pay for play” to “we won’t be outbid”.

Suddenly getting non-LDS and top LDS recruits is a priority and crucial for their success. $$ can overcome some of the honor code and strange college atmosphere stigmas. Donors are stepping up to make it happen.

The more success they have the more money will flow. Now we are caught trying to keep up with the “Jones” or “Smiths” should I say. Our donors are more community minded and less athletics. Their donors are more about winning and the church notoriety from athletics. We can’t and won’t win a bidding war for players. Unless the rules change or the church authorities don’t like the direction of the churches flagship school I don’t think we can compete at a same $$$ level. Just my two cents.

[Utah]

We found the younger Utah fan here. BYU has always had more money. Why do you think they were so dominant in the WAC in the 70’s and 80’s.

BYU’s budget was 2-3 times larger than any other WAC school and it showed.

All Utah needs to be is physical and competitive with money. When that is the case, Utah wins 70% of the time.

And going with your 4th paragraph, Utah was 6-4 when BYU still had a massive money advantage over Utah. Utah didn’t gain any sort of financial advantage until the PAC-12. BYU has always dropped more money into their programs than Utah has when conference affiliation was the same.

When they were in the MWC, they had more money, more resources, more media coverage, better recruiting classes and we still won 60% of the time.

BYU ain’t s**t.

[Utesbyfive]

This is my take. I’ve always figured it would be Shah. Why else would he have stuck around so long?

[Ute Dub]

Listen, I don’t care for BYU and its often arrogant culture, but your short argument is riddled with logical fallacies.

1) Argument from ignorance, and begging the question. “I have no doubt they have a giant chest of untaxed revenue.” So, churches are tax-exempt and receive tax-exempt donations. If they receive revenue, this is taxed and is not “untaxed,” as that would be illegal. Your use of nomenclature suggests something illicit or devious.

2) Hasty generalization and non Sequitur / False Case. The conclusion that churches are hoarding untaxed funds to pay college athletes doesn’t logically follow from influencer expenses. Could you please provide us with the dollar amounts the LDS Church spends on social media influencers? Using that logic, I could say anything, such as, “Considering the amount the church subsidizes for missions…or spends on church buildings. It does not logically infer that they have any interest in spending on college athletes, which I believe is what you are inferring.

I might like to see your complaint of “untaxed” revenue applied equally to Universities and their sports revenues. After all, isn’t the state and federal funding to the university directly hitting your paycheck as a reduction or as a liability through the national debt, whereas Joe Shmo’s donation to a church does not affect you directly?

[2008 National Champ]

Is there anything less interesting than two fanbases arguing that they each have the bigger inferiority complex?

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