Retzlaff leaving TDS

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    • #244649
      MDUte
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      Insiders claiming that Retzlaff has already cleaned out his locker and his agent has been shopping him around to other schools, including Utah haha. Apparently Utah told him they had no interest. Word is the suspension was going to be 7 games so Retzlaff is hitting the road.
      All indications point to Hillstead being QB1 and Bachmeier QB2. But I’d imagine they will both compete in Fall Camp to solidify the pecking order.
      I don’t think this changes much for TDS this year as I had them down for 7-5 with Retzlaff. So I would drop them down to 6-6 based on the news. But they certainly didn’t win games last year because of their offense. They used the Utah formula of solid defense and special teams play along with a healthy dose of good luck that was on their side last year. Safe to say, the Soakers have a good humbling coming their way.

    • #244653
      Larry B
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      A 7 game suspension is nothing compared to jail time, which if you believe the victim in this case, he deserves. I’m actually shocked that he would receive any punishment from BYU. I thought for sure it would be swept under the rug. 7-5 sounds about right if he leaves, 9-3 if he stays.

      • #244656
        AlohaUte
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        I don’t understand why you’d be shocked, BYU his far more orthodox than they used to be and they uphold the honor code. A decade ago their BBall player got kicked out of school because of honor code violations. Ive seen nothing that suggests BYU would sweep it under the rug with the way the school has been run.

        Had this been in the 1980’s, then sure.

        • #244667
          UteThunder
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          Since the Davies suspension, BYU has made a concerted effort to handle honor code violations in private unless the violation is made public through some other means. I have heard that part of this shift in honor code enforcement has resulted in lighter consequences for athletes. In other words, they sweep what they can under the rug.

          • #244671
            AlohaUte
            Participant

            Keeping things private isn’t necessarily sweeping it under the rug. The HC office isn’t going to fo aire the dirty laundry of everyone who violated the code but didn’t commit any crime.

            In JR’S case, because there’s a legal filing of course its public.

      • #244658
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        HATUman
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        No way they sweep this one under the rug.

      • #244670
        Central Coast Ute
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        With how public this became, there isn’t a school in the country that could sweep this under the rug. People might look the other way for guys that will win you games, but Retzlaff isn’t that guy. It will be hard to find anyone that will bring him on at this point, especially at the D1 level. This isn’t surprising at all.

    • #244654
      PhiladelphiaUte
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      Does Utah believe that Retzlaff would be worse than our QB2, or do we just not want the baggage that’ll inevitably follow him?

      • #244655
        MDUte
        Participant

        I think it’s mostly the baggage of the ongoing civil case.

        • #244660
          D T
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          Or he wasn’t willing to accept a backup designation…..With a P4 supporting cast & above avg defense/STs, he threw 12 picks & completed 57.9% of his passes, with mediocre rushing production…..Not exactly in high demand, with or without this accusation.

      • #244659
        HATUman
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        Yeah, I don’t know who considers him at this point. If/when his name is cleared and he is found innocent I’m sure there would be some school’s looking to give him a shot, but to do it now is a really bad look. His best opportunity to play this year was to take the 7 game suspension.

    • #244663

      Is there any precedent for a 7 game suspension?

      In a 12-game season, 7 isn’t a round number (6 or 8 would be).

      I’m just noticing that Utah is their 7th game. Seems like they’re going out of their way to suspend him for their most important game.

      Is that to make sure he leaves? Or to make sure that the backups are 100% focused even if he stays? Or because it’s half+1? Or because the person in charge likes prime numbers?

      • #244665
        NarfUte
        Participant

        Apparently lines up with their term schedule, so it would be a 1 term suspension

        • #244736
          PhiladelphiaUte
          Participant

          Not really. It’s only “half a season”, and he doesn’t even have to disenroll. Had he not opted to leave on his own, he could have taken as many classes as he would have wanted.

          He got a light slap on the wrist for an offense that would have led to a 1-yr disenrollment for any of the other “regular” students at ybu-p.

          #WinAtAllCosts
          #TheHonorCodeIsJustForShow

    • #244664
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      If you haven’t looked at their schedule, it’s very easy. All three non-con games should be cake, then they get Cincinnati, Arizona, UCF, and West Virginia. I’d be shocked if they lose more than one of those.

      Even without Retzlaff, I like them to beat TCU at home. And who knows what we’ll get from Colorado.

      I think they’re 7-5 at the worst.

    • #244666
      UteNamedOg
      Participant

      Of all the ways for the season to be easier for Utah, this one sucks the most. I am very much not a lawyer, and I’ve been trying to avoid touching this with a ten foot pole, but both outcomes appear to suck quite a bit.

    • #244668
      ProudUte
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      I think BYU will be better in the long run with a new QB. They are lucky that they start with a very easy schedule, and the new QB can get acclimated. I suspect it will be Hillstead, and in the end, I think he will be more productive for BYU.

      BYU does NOT handle the honor code the way it has in the past. Previously, you would be suspended for one academic year. They worked hard to ignore McMahon’s transgressions. But, something like this is very public, and they could not ignore it, but the penalty is softer than it was 15 years ago. Had this been a private issue, I doubt BYU would have done anything. I even think that BYU had wind of this for some time before it became public.

      I think Retzlaff ends up at a G5 school that lacks a solid QB. I doubt there are any P4 schools that don’t have a few good QBs in place. He may also end up at an FSC school. I have nothing against the young man and wish him well.

      • #244674
        Utah Man 3
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        My guess to where he’ll end up is either Oklahoma state or ucf, they are both thin and inexperienced at qp

    • #244675
      EagleMountainUte
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      I feel like this is a benefit to poo poo this early in the year.

    • #244676
      Tony (admin)
      Keymaster

      I am still in rural Greece. My aunt tells me there was some attempt to blame the situation on a Ute player? Or perhaps that was a reading comprehension issue.

      • #244678

        Your aunt is mostly correct. Jake’s statement never went so far to directly blame a Ute player, but he did say:
        -The victim told police that the perpetrator was a childhood friend, which is strong evidence it wasn’t Jake as the victim grew up in SLC and Jake didn’t
        That was all he needed to say, but he added:
        -Victim also slept with multiple Utah players around the same time (no evidence given for this)
        -So who knows???? Maybe the perpetrator was one of the Utah players!

        Not a direct accusation, but a bizarre thing to add, in my opinion. Has obviously gotten some people riled up on both sides.

    • #244677
      Utes 69
      Participant

      welp. there goes the national championship and the Heisman trophy!

      Jake, just figured it out the byu is not all that!

    • #244682
      chinngiskhaan
      Participant

      The TSPP fan reactions to him being gone are pretty funny. When news first came out about the incident, there were two main responses. Either he didn’t do it/won’t get suspended, Or, OMG WE ARE SCREWED.

      Now that he is actually gone gone (reportedly), the reaction has been, “meh, we didn’t need him anyway because mmmmkay Hillstead is actually just as good.”

    • #244684
      silverliningsurfer
      Participant

      The victim withdrawing the case is an entirely separate can of worms that I’m not going to touch. That said, it is so on-brand for BYU that he is still transferring because even without a formal charge or legal case, he was suspended due to honor code violations.

      I don’t think he’s anything special at QB but I think they’d have benefited from some consistency at the position, so I see this as a win for us, speaking purely about on-field.

      • #244687
        RoboUte
        Participant

        Victim didn’t withdraw, there was a joint agreement for dismissal. Likely there’s been a settlement between them.

    • #244688
      belli1976
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      Has anyone made a BYJewdas tshirt?

    • #244744
      Ultimate Ute
      Participant

      I know of several people who were breaking the School Down South so called honor code by engaging in various kinds of sexual relations, but subsequently lied about their actions when questioned by their bishop, which in my view, is an offense much more serious in comparison.

    • #244745
      DallasUte78
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      These are college kids so no surprise they are doing things most college kids do regardless of an honor code. My problem with the honor code is that they ask the students to police each other. They are just promoting a tattle-tale judgmental culture.

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