[TubbyUteStreetwise]

UtesRules’ request is interesting. On the one hand, it would be easy to comment that UtesRule should simply avoid these conversations. This site has never seemed so entrenched in LDS religiosity that it would affect anyone’s engagement with the site to avoid discussions of that topic. Making this suggestion to UtesRule seems reasonable.

On the other hand, the very idea that UtesRule would make a request to avoid religious talk implicitly suggests that he would prefer NOT to block those who discuss religious topics. He feels compelled to read their takes – both Ute-based and LDS-based. To me, this instinct is a good thing. It’s counter-productive to the discourse of a well-functioning society not to listen to multiple sides of an argument, particularly if those sides can be respectfully discussed.

In my mind, it’s good for religious people to read non-religious takes. It’s good for non-religious people to read religious takes. The impulse to turn off ideas that conflict with your own system of belief is misbegotten. In the case of UtesRule, though, he is not asking other users to be civil with their comments, he is asking them to censor themselves for his sake. The more I write about this topic, the more, I guess, I disagree with UtesRule.

One thing that further complicates this request is that our relationship with the TDS is intrinsically connected to religion. For better or for worse, our rivalry is called “The Holy War”. This means that religious discussion will inevitably bleed into the rivalry. There is a way to talk about BYU that belittles their team and some of their fans, but respects their existence. It’s a fine line but I think it’s okay to try and find it.

[Chasqui]

I agree with AZ Ute. The D line terrifies me right now. Logan Fano is the only guy and I’m worried he is a B- at best? We will need a few guys to step up there for sure!

[chinngiskhaan]

I don’t think things are going to get much better guys. I think the NCAA as we knew it is toast. How can they possibly regulate this in a way that evens out the competitive balance? They’ve already gotten rid of the BS amateurism stuff. The courts have spoken, and players are now (justifiably) allowed to profit off of their NIL. That will never change unless colleges and athletes collectively bargain, and the athletes sign away that right in exchange for some other perk, which is of course never going to happen.

The only way any of this changes meaningfully is through teams and players and leagues getting together and binding themselves to some new rules. The odds of that happening with a group bigger than just the SEC and B1G are pretty small if not zero.

The NCAA had a good thing and they got too greedy and screwed it all up. Conferences wanted the right to broadcast more than a few games a year on TV, and to negotiate their own TV deals, the NCAA said no and tried to control it, and the NCAA lost. Teams wanted to pay their assistant coaches more than a few thousand bucks a year, the NCAA said no, and again lost in court. Again and again and again they had every opportunity to see the wrting on the wall that they couldn’t hoard all the money for themselves, and they ignored it. Then the courts got fed up with waiting for the NCAA to adjust and make things fair, and they refused. Then O’bannon sued the NCAA and opened the floodgates and here we are.

Things are not going back to the way they were. Either we get alumni to pony up more or we will forever be a second or third rate athletic institution.

[RedRocks]

Based on the chatter I am seeing, I expect this to do….. nothing.

[Chasqui]

Just like the vast majority of executive orders. The cats out of the bag.

[Grizzly Adams]

Still no clear guidelines on who is going to monitor NIL and how they are going to enforce it. I don’t see any changes coming to how things are currently done. Not until an official regulatory body is established and the first punishment for pay-to-play is actually enforced. For now, it’s still the Wild West.

[Kirk Herbstreet]

Interest in college sports…Rising (for the first time in 2 years). If this has the effect I hope it has, I might actually watch more than half of the games this season.

[2008 National Champ]

When I was at Utah in the late 80’s, it was the same time period UNLV was putting together great basketball teams. One of their players, Greg Anthony, started a tee shirt company that was relatively successful. The NCAA, in their shortsightedness, gave him the option of giving up his company or giving up his scholarship and paying his own way to school. All the under the table money in college sports at that time and they wasted their efforts on a guy who figured out a way to earn an honest living while going to school? How many times could the NCAA have made reasonable accommodations over the decades that would have created a viable system instead of the sheetshow we are currently witnessing?

I’m glad somebody is trying to do something but after all my years of watching the NCAA be on the wrong side of damn near every decision, as well as my general skepticism of any government entity actually solving a problem instead of just using it for re-election purposes.,, without seeing an actual framework of how they will implement, let alone who gets to decide “fair market value” I’m not going to pretend that this is a landmark EO. I’ll hope for the best but also be fully prepared for nothing to change in the short term.

[Ute Dub]

I don’t get it. How is a “3rd party” different from a NIL endorsement?

[Chasqui]

HolladayUte, I completely agree with you. bear doesn’t scare me at all even with us playing them week 8. Hillstead feels like a much better option. What I hope is that they start hillstead, struggle with him for a weeks and then decide to move to Bear a week or two before us. Can you imagine our defense against him? Even at LES. Gonna be reminiscent of 54-10!

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