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    32utahutes

    Marquise Blair

    What was Marquise Blair’s injury? I never saw the details.

  • Utah
    3

    I think he blew his knee out but Utah just released a “welcome back” video of him. So he’s ready to go. 

    Also, Whitt said this last week that he was 100%. 

    • Utah
      5

      • 32utahutes

        If he tore his ACL he wouldn’t be 100%. He’s 8 months removed. Possible MCL? Or Meniscus?

        • Utah

          All Utah has said is lower leg injury. 

          • Onlyu
            6

            It was an ACL…they have these things so dialed in that full activity in as soon as 6 months is  ore and more common especially with an athlete that essentially has round the clock rehab and who was in great shape to begin with.  He’s been participating in conditioning so is already running on it at a normal clip.  Slowly working into the cutting and start/stop drills.  

            From here it’s honestly just pain, swelling and overuse and then how quickly he trusts it will hold up to what he is used to doing – usually takes a couple more months.  He’ll deal with the usual soreness from pushing it but as long as there are no set backs this summer he’ll be ready for camp.

      • KiYi-Ute
        7

        I love the enforcer mentality that Blair has. But am I the only one who’s a little bit worried about his form on tackles? He often tries to blow people up instead of wrapping up. I think it’s prone to getting penalties and injuries. 

        Maybe I’m overthinking it. I am stoked that he’s back and healthy. 

        • Utah

          Ha ha. Yeah, it’s something he has to fix. I do believe he was kicked out of two games for targeting last year. 

        • chinngiskhaan
          1 2

          yeah, you are definitely not the only one. I personally hate hate hate the way he tackles. I think it’s against the rules for a reason. As much as I hate to see him lower his head/shoulder to hit someone, I hated watching him attempt to use his arms and hands to do useful things even more. Watching him attempt to wrap guys up was sad, you could actually see him thinking to himself, “crap… I forgot to use my arms again” (as he is lowering his head) “I better stick my arms out to make it look like I’m not breaking the rules.”

          Then there is the whole, he could literally ruin someone’s life tackling that way thing. That is the worst part of it IMO. Football is almost unwatchable sometimes with the amount of injuries that happen in games. I still vividly remember that Pharaoh guy getting his leg broken in half against us… and the safety from BYU a few years back whos leg snapped for no apparent reason when he was reacting to a Ute offensive player… and those injuries weren’t really even the result of big hits, nobody even touched the BYU guy. Watching dudes get knocked unconscious from head to head blows makes me sick to my stomach. Hitting like that is inexcusable in my opinion. Being the big tough guy, or watching that guy do stuff, just isn’t appealing to me, not even a little bit.

          He has a TON of potential at safety, but he isn’t very good at it right now. He doesn’t know how to be a safety yet, not to his full potential anyways. He sucked in coverage, and he never learned how to tackle as a linebacker because it was just his job to knock the crap out of the QB when he wasn’t looking prior to coming to Utah.

          • UtMtBiker

            Doesn’t sound like football is for you and thats okay.  For me, watching football without the physical aspects is boring.  

  • Duhwayne
    1

    He’ll start wrapping.

    He put his weight down on the RES turf and the knee gave. Maybe like Pharoah Brown. Sometimes I wonder about the turf in our stadium. Do the cleats catch un situations when grass would give? Has that ever been seriously discussed?

    • Utah

      I think I read somewhere that the new turf is a lot safer but I don’t have any sources on that.

      • GameForAnyFuss
        1

        Turf is getting safer but it still has a long ways to go before it’s as safe as grass. It just doesn’t release your feet in those twisting movements. Sports that you’re starting to see a lot of on turf (football, soccer, lacrosse mostly) have had a startling increase in the number of ACLs since modern turf came about.

        I’m involved in soccer locally. The indoor fields they put in at the RSL high school have the “best” turf available (the only kind approved for FIFA international play). I’ve played on it a bunch, and it’s sweet. But still too grippy. Saw a kid do both ACLs two weeks ago – not pretty.

        Turf has a lot of advantages over grass, like maintenance, wear, and drainage. But they’re going to have to figure out a way to get it to give way like grass does. But the fact that it doesn’t give way is why it’s so durable, so I don’t expect that problem to be solved anytime soon.

        • Utah
          1

          I tried looking around…and it turns out we know nothing about it. Some articles/research says turf is better…some say grass is better…

          So, who the heck knows. The take home message I took from all my reading is that make sure you wear the right shoes. Grass or turf, too much friction drastically increases risk of injury. 

          • jamarcus24
            6

            In my unprofessional opinion I think a lot of the non-contact knee injuries we’re seeing a lot of have more to do with the athletes getting bigger, faster, and stronger and not as much to do with playing surface.  Athletes are cutting and stopping on dimes, completely shifting and transferring all their body weight from the ground up their legs and through their bodies.  Think about Armand Shyne’s ligament tear a few years back.  That’s 220 lbs. stopping and going in tenths of a second. I just don’t think the human body was meant to absorb all the shock modern sports demand now.

            • Utah

              Great point. See Jamal Anderson.

  • kazute
    5

    It’s about that time of summer again.

    Welcome back!

  • Utah
    4

    Man, I’m excited to see Boyd, Covey and Thompson. Those three will be great. 

    • FtheY
      2

      Me too. I really hope Boyd and Thompson can be major contributors this year. 

      • Utah
        4

        No one has seen the greatness of Thompson, but listen to the coaches. They are ALWAYS talking about him. Very much the same way they were talking about Covey his first year. They expect big things from him. 

        • FtheY
          2

          I like it. 

  • Tony
    1

    So amazing. Did he ever throw?

    • Smack
      1

      His running is amazing, but watch to the end. He makes some great throws after scrambling around and shaking off tacklers.

  • gothamute

    I never get tired of this one as well…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMF1N2RAX68

    I really hope he didn’t lose a step being off for two years…

    35 days until Fall Camp starts!

    • Utah
      1

      That is a great one!

    • Utah
      1

      I’ll remember that catch at 3:27 for the rest of my life. I was stunned. A ball not put directly into a WR’s hands that was caught? I remember turning to my wife and telling her, “well, that is the end of Fulks’ career”. Good times. 

  • kazute

    Now with commentary, by someone who was introduced to this video.

  • kazute
    2

    Utah really has had some dynamic returners.

     

    These are are just a sample.  For instance, for just Reggie Dunn I remember about 3 other returns to the house.

    Also, I remember Cal Beck being taken down and out of bounds at the 5 yardline against Arizona in the Freedom Bowl.  It was right in front of us.  I thought, “Crap! We’re gonna lose.”  Then the McCoy to Dyson miracle on 4th down.That win put us in the final top 10 rankings for the first time in forever.

  • ProudUte
    1

    Great memories.

    Thanks for sharing.

  • FtheY
    1

    I really think the Reggie Dunn’s of the past balanced us out with anemic offenses. I don’t think we’ve had a kick or punt return to the house since covey left, have we? Looking forward to having that threat back again. 

    • UteDuke
      2

      We have. Boobie took it to the house at least once (against Colorado). There may be others that I’ve forgotten as well.

      • FtheY
        1

        Yeah, I don’t remember his for some reason. Boobie wasnt bad his last year, but man he made me nervous previously. 

  • UtahManPodcast

    Changes at RES

    What changes would you like to see at RES for a better game day experience?

    For me better halftimes shows and cell service/WiFi. As much as I made of byu for the latter, it’s a pretty good idea. 

  • OldAsDirtUte
    6

    Get rid of the constant pounding manufactured ‘music’!

    Other than that, it’s a gtreat stadium.

  • dystopiamembrane

    I’d like to see all the seats in the stadium move three inches to the left every 30 seconds.

  • noneyadb
    7

    BEER!!!!!

  • Tony
    6

    RES and the Hunty have a terrible logistical/design problem with consessions.  The lines go out into the flow of foot traffic, blocking passage for the crowds.  Poorly thought out.  They even make it worse in basketball games by adding extra vendors right next to the entrance so those vendors’ lines block the flow of people coming in.  

    • EagleMountainUte
      2

      The bathrooms to pretty annoying. 

      Yeah better cell service is a must. Wish I had that when I went camping because it’s important when I am doing something completely unrelated to a cell phone that I have service. 

      • FtheY
        1

        Yeah the bathrooms are annoying. It’s where all the dicks hang out. 

    • Duhwayne
      4

      Could they paint some lines on the concrete ti make people line up perpendicular to the store front?

  • GameForAnyFuss
    6

    What changes would I like to see at RES?

    Less BYU-Provo in it every other year.

  • kazute
    1

    The chaos is part of the tradition for me.  Don’t get me wrong, I was happy when they added the bathrooms under the NEZ.  But, I like the energy when it is packed and raucus.  There are always circles of people standing and chatting in the middle of the concourse (at least on the East side) interupting flow. 

    I know we have umpteen trillion sellouts in a row, but that really can’t be true.  I rember many games where it was less than packed and you could walk around with no issues.  Those games are usually not as fun.

    I also don’t mind the phone blackout.  It gives me a chance to checkout.  Though it can be annoying when separated in the exodus.

    My suggestion is no media timeouts. Not gonna happen, but if I could change that one thing, I would.   

     

  • Tony
    3

    I think better wifi would be great so I can check in on Ute Hub chat more while at the game.

    • ironman1315
      2

      You should convince RES to make utehub the official game day app.

      • Tony

        That will happen LOL.

        • EagleMountainUte

          With enough money clearly everything in RES can and will be purchased. 

        • ironman1315

          Let’s getbthat proposal in ASAP.

  • Tomasina
    1

    An actual third down tradition that excites the crowd and represents Utah football.  

    • ironman1315
      2

      Like the Third Down Jump?

  • dwainegf

    Cell Service…. we don’t need no stinking cell service… LOL.
    Really though they can stop the cRAP music and play something more to the crowd’s demographic.

    • GameForAnyFuss

      Except that the music that plays to the “crowd’s demographic” is garbage. Contrary to what Homer Simpson said, music did not achieve perfection in 1973.

      I’m not a big rap fan, but the under-60 crowd and I would definitely prefer rap or even silence to butt rock.

  • Tony

    I think the cRAP they are playing is more for the players and recruits, vs the audience.

  • Utah
    1 9

    Dennis Lindsey

    Hired in 2012.
    Draft: Kevin Murphy – traded to GS allowing the greatest team ever to be created.
    Transactions: Traded Harris for Williams. Signed Foye. Waived Raja Bell.
    Let Millsap, Carroll and Jefferson walk for nothing.

    2013:
    Draft: Traded for Trey Burke. Traded for Gobert.
    Transactions: traded Murphy and Foye to allow GS to assemble the greatest team ever.
    Hired Snyder

    2014:
    Draft: Exum, Hood, Stokes
    Transactions: Let Hayward shop for his own deal instead of 4 year maxing him, which allowed him to leave a year early. There is no excuse for not having Hayward on the team last year. Signed Booker. Traded Kanyer for not much.

    2015:
    Draft: Trey Lyles
    Transactions: signed Neto and Ingles.

    2016:
    Draft: Prince
    Transactions: Traded Prince to Atl for Hill instead of Teague. Traded Burke away for nothing. Signed Joe Johnson.

    2017:
    Draft: Traded Lyles and pick for Mitchell. Traded Josh Hart for Bradley.
    Transactions: Traded 2018 first round pick for Rubio. Traded Hood for Crowder. Signed Royce O’Neal.

    Key Players lost: Millsap, Carroll, Hayward
    Key Players added: Mitchell, Gobert

    Playoffs: 2 times (2017, 2018)
    No Playoffs: 4 times (I think: 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)

    Out of a grading scale of “outstanding, satisfactory, undetermined or poor” I’d rate him as “satisfactory”.

    Before Mitchell, I would have graded him as “poor”. Good thing Denver called him and wanted Lyles over Mitchell, right? I said Lindsey was on the hot seat before last season.

    Losing Hayward was unacceptable. There is no excuse for that. First, he should have maxed Hayward for four years, knowing the cap was going up. He dropped the ball on that. Second, when Hayward asked for a trade in the summer of 2016, he should have gotten a pick from Boston. Can you imagine if we had Brown or Tatum on this team? The Hayward situation was a colossal f**k up. Any other team would have seriously considered firing him over that.

    Now? I give him this year and next. If he can’t bag a third player to go with Mitchell, then we might be in big trouble.

  • ironman1315
    6 2

    Whatever man. It’s apparent you dislike anything to do with the Miller’s Lindsey is easily top quartile GM.

    • Utah
      6

      Going to the playoffs twice 2 out of 6 years is a top 25% GM? Losing Millsap and Hayward, who are two of the top 5 paid players in basketball, is a top GM?

      Lindsey took a borderline playoff team, let three of their top four players walk for nothing to tank. He then let his top player walk for nothing. That got him 2 playoffs in 6 years. Teams that went to the playoffs twice as often (or more) as Lindsey has gone to the playoffs:

      Heat – this includes having LeBron, losing LeBron and Wade, then rebuilding again.
      Spurs – Again, this includes them losing arguably the greatest player in all time and not missing a beat.
      Pacers – They lost Paul George, a better player than anyone we have, and still going to the playoffs 5 times in 6 years.
      Grizzlies – they went 5 times.
      Warriors – They were good before Dennis Lindsey. Because of Lindsey, they became great.
      Bulls – 4 times.
      Thunder – 4 trips. They lost Durant in this time period and replaced him with George.
      Rockets – Ainge or Morey are probably 1 and 2 GM’s in the league.
      Clippers – 5 times
      Hawks – 5 times
      Celtics – 5 times
      Bucks – 4 times
      Blazers – 5 times. And this is with losing one of their top 2 players.
      Wizards – 4 times
      Raptors – 4 times
      Cavs – 4 times

      That is 16 teams that have been twice as successful since 2012 than Lindsey. That is over half. If you add in teams that have been to the playoffs three times in that span? Then 18 teams have been more successful than Lindsey over that span. That is a looooooong ways from top 25% GM.

      It is very mediocre. Which is what I have said Lindsey is. Very mediocre, with some amazing luck tossed in.

      • chinngiskhaan
        6

        Utah,

        Clearly you are biased, and don’t know what you are talking about.

        You are honestly claiming that Lindsey letting go two of the 5 highest paid players in the NBA is a bad thing? Are Millsap and Heyward top 5 NBA players? NO NO NO. Are they top 10? NO NO NO NO NO. Are they top 20? NOPE. Top 30? NOPE AGAIN.

        Lindsey not overpaying for players is not a good thing, not a bad one. Of all of those draftees and transactions you listed, a good number of them have worked out in the Jazz’s favor.

        Try not to be an idiot.

        • chinngiskhaan
          3

          and I don’t even like the Jazz. I’ve been openly critical of Jazz homerism on the page.

        • EagleMountainUte
          2

          Jazz were willing to overpay for Hayward.  They had an offer that was max contract.  Hayward was an all star and the best player on that current Jazz roster.  He was easily replaced by a rookie from out of no where. Then the second highest scorer from that playoff team in Hill was replaced by Rubio and the rise of Ingles.  Everyone had Utah as a lottery team. DL didn’t lose Hayward, Hayward wanted to play for Stevens no matter what.   It was mostly luck that sort of made the 2017-2018 season for the Jazz. 

          Listening more to what happened, Mitchell has said it wasn’t just Snyder recognizing special talent.  It was DL and the shooting coach(whose name escapes me).  Mitchell had pretty much no reputation for a three point shot, they added an arc to his shot and suddenly he becomes an outstanding weapon his rookie year.  His percentage is lower for other reasons but it improved more than anyone scouted other than DL and the Jazz organization.  

        • Utah
          2

          So, let’s say Lindsey held onto Millsap and Hayward…what is different today? Do the Jazz miss out on Gobert? 

          Nope. They traded up to take Gobert. 

          Do the Jazz miss out on Hood? Nope, he was a late first round pick. 

          Do the Jazz miss out on Mitchell? Well, they traded Lyles for Mitchell. Lyles was a #12 pick. Lyndon was the #24 pick. So, let’s say they miss out on Mitchell, which would be quite the loss. 

          BUT, the last six years, they would have gone to the playoffs a lot more than twice with Hayward, Millsap and Gobert. Those three were made for each other. 

          Like I’ve said before, Denver calling Utah and offering Mitchell for Lyles took Lindsey from a bad GM to a decent GM. 

          He has a chance to redeem himself the next two seasons. BUT, if we look the same two years from now, then time to part ways, because outside of Denver calling us and offering us Mitchell, he has been very mediocre. 

  • ironman1315
    6 1

    Dude, I deal with walls of text all day. I deal with people who omit facts everyday and ignore context everyday. I don’t need this from you.

    • Utah
      2

      Then show me how he is a top 25% GM. If you can’t, then that is ok, but if you can show me. I’ve shown you that his results have been pretty poor so far. 

      He has potential to change that, but he hasn’t been the god-like GM people around here like to paint him out as. 

      • ironman1315

        He inherited a complete dumpster fire and turned around a team that was at its lowest point since coming to Utah. We’ve been to the playoffs twice in two years after rebuilding under Snyder’s coaching philosophy. He’s done fine. Top quartile. We’ll see if this continues.

  • ironman1315
    2 1

    Also what’s the source on Denever initiating the trade?

    • Utah
      2

      David Locke has said multiple times that Denver called Lindsay about the Mitchell trade. 

       

    • Utah
      1

      • ironman1315

        Thanks for providing a source. Apparently what happened was Denver looked to make a bigger trade but that fell through. Linfsey had to have shopped a trade at least with Denver to get Mitchell here. Is it luck the deal fell through? Yes. But it wasn’t luck that Denver knew Utah’s interest and had them as a viable backup.

        Nuggets get Trey Lyles from Jazz in swap of first-round picks

  • Sweetness
    3 1

    DL wasn’t here for the DWill trade. That was KOC. DL inherited a directionless team that had just traded their all NBA star but refused to rebuild. He’s since broken that team down by doing exactly what you said, letting the guys walk that weren’t taking the team down, and rebuilt it into probably 1 of the top 5 teams in the league currently with its two best players being under 25, and has one of the top 3-5 coaches in the league. Outside of Ainge, Morey, and GS, I can’t think of a GM that has down a better job than DL the past 5 years. Also considering he is doing this all with essentially no free agency market (and our cornerstone piece walked out on us), he’s really done a phenomenal job.  

    • noneyadb
      2 1

      Kevin O’Conner was still around and making team decisions in 2012 during Lindsey’s first year, could be wrong, but Millsap, Matthews, Korver, Boozer, and Kirilenko all left while Kevin O’Conner was the GM and the Jazz only received Al Jefferson in return.

      • Utah
        4

        Wrong. Lindsey was GM in the 2012-2013 season. Carroll, Millsap, Jefferson were all on the team that year. AFTER Lindsey’s first year, he let all of them walk.

        Again, this false narrative that is being pushed about Lindsey is just…crazy. You guys do realize that there is the internet where you can find the answers to these questions, right?

        But then again, Utah’s culture has a history of believing some pretty silly stuff. It’s ingrained in our culture.

        • ironman1315
          2

          Look, you’re making a ton of assumptions that because he didn’t trade the players that he didn’t shop them. It’s entirely possible that he did so but got offers that he couldn’t accept. This seems more likely since he didn’t join the team until two months before the season started. The time to have shopped those players was BEFORE the draft because then there was no leverage. That fiasco was not his fault.

        • ironman1315
          2

          And in classic argumentation the burden of proof is upon the profferor not the opponent. Also, good job with the broad brush as hominem really convincing.

        • noneyadb

          https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865579259/Utah-Jazz-CEO-Greg-Miller-President-Randy-Rigby-refute-report-that-Kevin-OConnor-is-out.html

           

          Jeremiah Jensen (@JJSportsBeat) Tweeted:

          Dennis LIndsey finished 2nd to Daryl Morey for the NBA Executive of the Year Award. #utahjazz  #nba https://twitter.com/JJSportsBeat/status/1011454368539815936?s=17

    • EagleMountainUte
      1 1

      Well that is easy to explain all of that narrative. Now it is the Miller’s fault for just wanting to be a playoff team and not win a championship. 

      • Utah
        5

        God, you’re obtuse.

        https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/UTA/2013.html

  • ironman1315
    2

    He was hired August of 12. The 2012 draft was not his fault.

  • rbmw263
    1

    Lindsey is a master team builder especially given market restrictions. If you can’t see this on some level I’m not sure you understand what you are looking at. 

  • Stone

    The Hayward situation was troubling. I will never know what was said internally between Hayward and Jazz management, but it did not end well for the Jazz. In retrospect, it seems obvious that the Jazz should have either maxed him in earlier (like you said) or traded him (like you said). Instead, the Jazz lost him and got nothing. It would have been great to have either traded him for an a draft pick or re-signed him at a reasonable rate (if they had resigned him sooner). Hayward would have been a great part of the current team, but I am actually somewhat relieved that that the Jazz lost Hayward to the Celtics, considering the price they would have had to pay last year.

    • ironman1315

      If DL could lookinto the future in 2014 and see what Hayward could become yes I agree we should have maxed him then. But he wasn’t great. He was good. But not an all-star and not even a star. He was a really good role player forced to play the star. He blossomed into a star really in 16-17. I don’t fault DL for letting Hayward shop. Not trading him is a problem.

  • Tony
    10

    Larry K inducted into the hall of fame….

    The 2018 National Polish-American Sports Hall of Fame: