Someone convince me that the new QB transfers


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    • #135851
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      chinngiskhaan
      Ute Fan
      @chinngiskhaan

      Aren’t Bentley 2.0, and 3.0. My gut says if they were good enough to be a top 3-4 pac12 qb, they wouldn’t have felt the need to jump ship.

      I think they will be good for the team… but actually good quarterbacks? I’ll believe it when I see it for several games against non terrible competition. Until then, I’m going to assume the following:

      1. Ty carries the offense.

      2. O- block does a good job blocking in possible passing situations, but underperforms in every other situation imaginable.

      3. The defense outperforms the offense, and when it doesn’t, we win big.

    • #135852
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      mfaulk80
      Ute Fan
      @mfaulk80

      Jackson is a project QB with as high of a ceiling as you can imagine.  He’s not there yet, but he could be OUTSTANDING.  He was injured last year, so he’s not exactly “used goods” so-to-speak.  He very well could have won the Texas job at some point, but word is that he had an issue with the coaches….and he wouldn’t be the first.  I live in Austin, so I get to hear all about Tom Herman.

      Honestly, Brewer could be Bentley 2.0.   I think he’s better than that based on what I’ve seen, but it’s hard to say.  I was never sold on Bentley, but I’m more excited about Brewer.  Regardless, Brewer is exactly what we needed for that 2nd QB.  We needed an experienced QB that can be a safety net of sorts if Rising isn’t able to go.

      My hope is still that Rising will be the man next year….and Brewer just gives us mop up duty tbh.  

      • #135854
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        chinngiskhaan
        Ute Fan
        @chinngiskhaan

        Thanks for actually responding instead of just giving a thumbs up/down.

        I can’t say I disagree with what you said

    • #135855
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      Utah5410
      Ute Fan
      @utah5410

      Brewer has a track record of winning. And seems to be more of a system/ manage the game QB rather than a gunslinger. He has actually played in big games. But has stated above he will need to taketh job from Rising if healthy. If he does, Im sure, for a year he will be a great fit. Bentley showed why he was the number 2QB closer to Lisk than Rising. We all thought it was between Rising and Bentley. We were wrong.

      • #135865
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        chinngiskhaan
        Ute Fan
        @chinngiskhaan

        By “we” you of course mean all the coaches and insiders that flat out lied right?

        • #135882

          salty-ute
          Ute Fan
          @salty-ute

          Coaches yes to an extent, they believed leaving it in the air gives them a competitive advantage and they’re not going to publicly s**t on their players’ abilities. The coaches also said that they all saw one QB take a significant step ahead and that the QB that won the job was clearly and unanimously the best. Every insider said that it was rising and it wasn’t close.

    • #135857
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      UtahMan17
      Ute Fan
      @utahman17

      Brewer has a better career completion percentage.

      Brewer has a better career record as a starter.

      Brewer is more athletic and a much better runner.

      Brewer has thrown for 4 more TDs and 10 less INTs.

      So he’s more athletic, more accurate, more productive, takes care of the ball better, and is more of a winner.

      He’s better.

       

      • #135864
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        chinngiskhaan
        Ute Fan
        @chinngiskhaan

        He played in the big12 against worse defenses than Bentley. Apples and oranges.

    • #135871
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      Jake
      Ute Fan
      @jutahfootball

      Because the two transfers are coming from different situations than Bentley, who was ran out of town their. Brewer was a starter for the last 3-4 years, and he wasn’t benched, Baylor is in a bad spot and he wants a shot with a better team. JQJ was a freshman, so nothing like Bentleys situation. In the same recruiting class they brought him in, they brought in Hudson Card. JQJ was also coming off an ACL tear from a year ago. Texas went with a more pro style offense, asked JQJ to move to defense, he wants a shot at QB, so their loss is our gain. Lisk showed the other night that against most teams we need a mediocre QB to beat the majority of the Pac-12 teams we face with how good our run and defense is.

      • #135873
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        chinngiskhaan
        Ute Fan
        @chinngiskhaan

        If JQJ was the better qb, they would not be asking him to move to Defense.

        If you have a guy that can throw as well as the other, and he is faster, you play that guy regardless of style. Bottom line: he wasn’t as good as the other guy at throwing.

        • #135874
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          Jake
          Ute Fan
          @jutahfootball

          Although true, you’re missing crucial points, the kid is a FRESHMAN, he has multiple years to develop as a passer, he’s not a grad transfer that has one year to play, he gets plenty of time in the system. The kid is a freak athlete, who just a year ago was a top 100 high school player in the nation. He’s also recovering from ACL tear which put him at a disadvantage in his battle at Texas. Bentley had a major confidence issue, which explains why he would look really good at some moments, and terrible at others. JQJ is a baller, no matter where we would put him on the field he’ll find success, and hopefully it’s at QB.

    • #135875
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      Charlie
      Ute Fan
      @charlie

      We can’t have just one QB, he may get hurt. Can’t have just two QBs, one may leave or two get hurt. Whitt is trying to have a QB room with the best possible 3 leaders. I like the possibilities he has to work with, an experienced guy, a very athletic strong runner that at a minimum is an awesome wildcat option, a promising pro freshman, and a promising duel freshman. Out of the mix he needs to find a starter and a backup and keep a third. Evaluating thru a spring, offseason and fall practice gets that done better than doing that with zoom calls quickly during recruiting.

      I like transfers because often they don’t repeat the same thing that may have created a rub the first time. You just don’t make it your primary or only option. Now given Rising getting hurt it was very good we had Bentley as an option. We could not have played this season with Lisk with whatever the next option would have been. Bentley was not top shelf, but he helped us win games we would have lost without him. He literally helped us avoid a big step back.

      • #135897
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        chinngiskhaan
        Ute Fan
        @chinngiskhaan

        I’m not arguing that having them on the team is bad or not helpful. I just refuse to believe they will be good quarterbacks for us. At least until they have proven they can be top 1/4 of the pac12 types for at least 1/4 of the season. Very few of our qbs are anything close to as good as fans expect them to be every year. I bought into Wilson, I bought into Williams, I bought into Tuttle, I bought into Huntley. Only Huntley was even close to being a legit pac12 qb for Utah. I bought into Bentley… never again will I go into a season assuming a qb that hasn’t proven himself playing for the Utes is anything more than a mediocre QB.

        If the pattern holds I’ll be right 9/10 times or so.

        • #135909

          2008 National Champ
          Ute Fan
          @cptmrgn05

          Chinng: while your skepticism is warranted, you should really check out Brewer’s highlight package which is on another thread. This isn’t your usual Utah transfer QB:

          Kendall Thompson – never got a chance at Oklahoma because he couldn’t complete a pass.
          Troy Williams – all the talent in the world, never got a chance at UW because he couldn’t complete a pass.
          Bentley – completion % went down, interceptions went up every year at South Carolina.

          Those transfers were exactly the same QB at Utah as they were at their previous stops. If that holds, we can expect something around 13/20, 200 yards, 1.5 TD, .6 INT per game. Whit wins 9 games next year with those #’s. If Brewer, or whoever beats him out, does better Utah is in the CCG again.

        • #135914

          MDUte
          Ute Fan
          @mdute

          Chinng: I think you make a very fair point. And I also believe that part of the blame rests on our offensive coaching. IMO, Development U is mainly attributed to the defensive side of the ball. That’s where the overwhelming majority of our NFL talent has come from. We have traditionally done an outstanding job with RBs but I think that’s because our identity is being a smash mouth football team. I think you could make the argument that we ask an awful lot of our QBs because we expect them to only throw the ball 20 times a game and have a completion percentage of 65+%. When they are only throwing the ball that many times, a lot of those throws end up being 3rd and long situations where our run game has gotten stopped. Tyler Huntley ran our system exceptionally well with efficiency numbers we haven’t seen in a long time. I hear the analysts saying all the time that Utah needs to be able to stretch the field vertically. And yet we rarely take shots down the field. So I don’t know if the problem is more on our QBs lacking the talent or more on our coaches not giving them the opportunities and development needed to be more successful, or if it’s a little bit of both. I will say that I have way more optimism in young transfers (freshmen types) like Rising & Jackson than I do with grad transfers. I feel like the transfer portal is a graveyard where washed up grad transfers go to die. The young kids, though, have all the opportunity ahead of them to develop and ball out. You can’t tell me that Jackson and Rising all of the sudden lost all of that 4* talent coming out of high school from watching on the sidelines their 1st year in college. Because between JQJ, Rising, and Costelli we have some super talented young QBs to work with…especially JQJ, his talent level is off the charts. The question for me is, can our coaches develop our young QBs and turn one of them into a superstar?

    • #135916
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      radioUte
      Ute Fan
      @radioute

      Rinse and Repeat, sadly.  But some guy just won $15M from a slot machine in Vegas last night so we’ll just keep pulling that lever.

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