PAC needs to be bold

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- 07/23/2021 at 8:59 PM #145994
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  Seems like the perception lately is that the PAC waits and sees what the B1G does before reacting.
  Wouldn’t it be great if Kliavkoff leaned in and put a deal together to poach the 4 most valuable brands of the B1G: Ohio St, Michigan, Penn St, and Wisconsin. I’m sure everyone’s first reaction is that’s impossible and why would they ever leave the B1G for the PAC. But what if Kliavkoff could show that a new PAC 16 that included tOSU, Michigan, Penn St, and Wisconsin would enable the PAC to secure $X/annually for their new media deal and this would mean each team would get $X guaranteed which would be an increase of $X over the current $56M each B1G school gets annually. And in addition to the increase in money/school, this new PAC 16 would be positioned to rival the newly expanded SEC.
  
  Again, I realize I’m dreaming here. But wouldn’t it be awesome to see Kliavkoff and the PAC step up and show bold leadership during this time of uncertainty and opportunity. My biggest fear is the opposite is going to happen. The B1G is going to respond to the SEC by poaching the PAC’s best brands: USC, Oregon, and Washington. And if this happens, we will find ourselves in a similar situation as the remaining Big 12 members…screwed.
- 07/23/2021 at 9:37 PM #145998
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  to be fair, some of the best decisions in life are the ones you don’t make. I’ve heard every school west of the Mississippi named over the last two days and none of them move the needle. Going to 16 teams just for the sake of having 16 may not be the right move.
  
  Joining up with former Big12 schools, or trying to get a couple of B1G schools that have no geographical reason to join could be the worst decision the Pac could make. Especially if they are just looking for a temporary landing spot until a better offer comes along.
  
  The other thing, just from a Utah standpoint, is that grabbing teams from the midwest would probably mean that Utah would be put in an Eastern Division. From a recruiting perspective, only getting one trip to California every couple of years would not be in their best interest. Right now, Utah is in a really good spot and I’d hate for them to lose that just for the sake of trying to get more teams in the conference.
  - 07/23/2021 at 10:25 PM #146001
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    Some usc dude posted this.
    
    It probably has some bearing on the value of a given school to the pac.
    
    I see two value propositions here.
    
    1. Any school that can increase the pieces of the money Pie for everybody.
    
    2. Schools that get us into texas. That’s value from a competition standpoint. I’d imagine if we’re a California AND texas conference, that can’t be bad for $$$ amd competition.
    
    https://mobile.twitter.com/USCanalytics/status/1418728783276826629
    - 07/23/2021 at 10:30 PM #146002
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      I’m gonna take a wild guess and say that based on the tweet, kstate, osu, and texas tech move the needle at least a bit money wise.
      
      And then we could take either Baylor or tcu cause….. texas.
      
      We substantially increase our foot print. We okay lots more games in the CST TIME zone. We sell off the Pac-12 to fox or ESPN so it can make some friggin money.
      - 07/24/2021 at 3:27 AM #146007
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        TCU is the better candidate than Baylor because TCU is part of the Dallas-Fort Worth media market and they, while being associated with the Disciples of Christ, they are not governed by them. They’re not BYU or Baylor. The only issue with TCU is that they’re only a Tier-2 research university. Every school in the current Pac-12 and all of K-State, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech are. Of course, if offered Pac-12 membership, there could be a cavaet that said invitation only will come if TCU makes an immediate commitment to increase their level of research to Tier-1 levels. That would be my ideal conference expansion lineup of the members availble. Not to mention the fact that I still have a soft spot a little bit for TCU due to Utah’s historical ties to them. Their program and University has improved a great deal since they joined the Big 12 ten years ago.
      - 07/24/2021 at 3:30 AM #146008
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        I’m gonna take a wild guess and say that based on the tweet, kstate, osu, and texas tech move the needle at least a bit money wise.
        
        And then we could take either Baylor or tcu cause….. texas.
        
        We substantially increase our foot print. We okay lots more games in the CST TIME zone. We sell off the Pac-12 to fox or ESPN so it can make some friggin money.
        
        My response…And also eliminate the Pac-12’s current major competitor for TV rights deals and times. With no Big 12 and an expanded Pac-12 with former Big 12 members in it, the league suddenly becomes a more attractive entity to media rights companies. Namely, CBS, who just lost their longtime SEC contract to ESPN. They’ve gotta be looking for content, and an expanded Pac-12 with no Big 12 as a competitor suddenly looks extremely attractive.
        
        07/24/2021 at 11:53 AM #146023
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        Oooo let’s get it done.
        
        I agree with tcu.
        
        My only devil advocate argument might be that Baylor sits in the middle of all the major texas markets, SA, HOU and DAL. Not sure that really matter though.
        
        I didn’t know that about CBS and the SEC. wow!
        
        Seems time to cash in blast off out of the dregs of the Larry Scott era….
        
        07/24/2021 at 7:14 PM #146045
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        I went to high school in Texas. Nobody but the most rigid Baptists cares about Baylor. Texas and Texas A&M are the major schools, with Texas Tech — and to a lesser extent Houston — being those UT and A&M applicants’ safety schools.
        
        FWIW, nobody really cared about TCU either. Baylor and TCU are seen in a better light than UTEP, UTSA, Texas St, and N Texas though. Rice is in a class all by itself. Nobody goes to Rice to play football, but apart from “athletics”, there is no better school in that state.
        
        If we MUST expand, Tx Tech and Houston would be our best “Texas” options.
        
        07/24/2021 at 7:20 PM #146048
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        Totally agree with this. Even though Houston is G5, I’ve always felt they are a sleeping giant. Give them the P5 resources like Utah was given and they would be solid. I’m still not advocating for adding anyone, though. I think the PAC would be best to sit tight for the time being.
- 07/24/2021 at 2:59 PM #146030
  
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  No they don’t. if the playoffs expand then try and add Notre Dame, and a few others. But adding Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, etc.. doesn’t move the needle in terms of demanding more money from TV networks.
  - 07/24/2021 at 3:50 PM #146032
    
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    P12 tv distribution was a huge failure. If adding teams increased distribution then it could actually be a big deal.
    
    This would also be huge with exposure. So many people can’t see p12 games right now.
    
    Also it could open up contract negotiations for tv deals early.
    
    So if negotiations with tv partners go well, then assisting teams might be a huge opportunity to fix past tv deal mistakes.
    - 07/24/2021 at 4:26 PM #146034
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      Don’t need to add schools for exposure, just need to add cable/satellite/internet service providers. Namely Direct TV.
      - 07/24/2021 at 6:19 PM #146039
        
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        Agreed. The only thing that moves the needle is adding brands that can drive more streaming subscription users in the future. The old days of tapping into new cable TV markets for driving new revenue is over as we watch cable TV continue to die a slow death.
        
        With that said, if the PAC could poach 4 top brands away from the B1G or form a new league all together that merges the PAC and B1G together to show an even greater super conference than the SEC, these are the only 2 scenarios I see that add value. If neither of these are possible, and likely they aren’t, then I agree with this article in the LA Times that says the PAC would be wise to do nothing. The one good thing in all of this is the Big 12 finally being eliminated as a power conference. This solidifies the PAC’s place as 1 of 4 power conferences. And even at 12, I would argue the PAC is still a stronger/better league from top to bottom than the ACC. It would be a big mistake to add the leftovers of the Big 12 IMO.
        LA Times article on the PAC
        
        07/24/2021 at 6:32 PM #146040
        
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        Absolutely. I could see Kansas adding value because they’re something like the 19th largest media market. But then again you’d have to look at how much they would bring in and see if that makes the pie bigger since everyone would then be getting a smaller percentage of the pie. I keep hearing people say schools like TTU. Yes, they’re in Texes, but they’re in Laredo, not exectly an easy place to access so my opinion is don’t add them.
        
        07/24/2021 at 6:54 PM #146041
        
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        Agreed. It’s really too bad the PAC couldn’t reel in Texas. Collin Cowherd made a strong argument that Texas doesn’t fit in with the SEC schools and is a much more natural fit in the PAC. The left over Texas schools are just not good fits or strong enough brands to go after.
        
        07/24/2021 at 9:55 PM #146053
        
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        Tx Tech is in Lubbock; not Laredo. And they constitute a major media market in the state of Texas. Not UT or A&M large, but apart from those two leading institutions, Tech is the next best thing. And don’t let the “Lubbock” location dissuade you from considering the Raiders, because even though they’re located all the way up there in the Panhandle, that’s not where they’re getting their students from. The city of Dallas is of primarily “Longhorn” allegiance, but the “Red Raiders” have a larger presence there than do TCU, Oklahoma, or Texas A&M. A&M is more South and East Texas, than North, Central, West, or Panhandle.
        
        07/24/2021 at 10:32 PM #146055
        
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        Oops my bad. Thanks for the correction.