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Hold or no hold if the ball is thrown to that receiver in the time retzlaf had on two feet it hits the receiver in the back. There was never an opportunity for this to materialize into a complete pass. It was definitely an ill advised call

Doesn’t really change the discussion. The issue wasn’t whether it’s plausible a hold occurred, it was whether the call was ticky tack and if a foul would’ve even mattered. It’s a broader discussion about when and why officials should alter the raw outcome of a game. As some have pointed out similar fouls occur constantly, not a play goes by…[Read more]

If it had affected the play, the ball would have landed incomplete and the call would have been pass interference. I don’t know why this is so hard. You are assuming an outcome for the play that didn’t happen.

I don’t know the play call any more than you do so I’m just interpreting what I see from your clip. Tell me if you think it is…[Read more]

Rose was definitely hobbling a little during the second half.

Nicko is a stud.

I’m sorry, that’s just not accurate. And I’m not trying to be argumentative. Watch the play again. Jake looks to his left and sees that Jojo isn’t open during the hold. Then he looks to the middle and gets sacked. Utah got pressure really fast, but there was a window to make a throw to Jojo on the left.

Again, I don’t know if he would have been…[Read more]

Ted? What’s really the goal with carrying this conversation on?

This is what I’m talking about when I say that I’m okay with playing BYU the team but hate everything else about the rivalry. If that game was against Oregon, Washington or any team not named BYU we’d have our 24 hour pity party and already have moved on to next week. Maybe…[Read more]

It is far from objective analysis. Comparing defensive PI to holding isn’t exactly apples to apples imo.

Big12 absolutely has been neglecting Defensive PI all season. Arizona game was probably the most egregious game.

Holding has a pretty clear definition on how it is called.

From a fan perspective I don’t trust the officials Utah has had to…[Read more]

Oh no…we definitely know what should have happened. That’s a sack on Retzlaff and an Utah win. At the end of the day, all BYU did is postpone irrelevance for one more week. Your program reminds me of those mediocre boxers who only fought palookas so they could have an undefeated record when they faced Tyson for box office purposes but then get…[Read more]

That’s not really what I said but if you equate “we won’t know what accountability measures are taken” with “no accountability”, I can’t prove otherwise.

It’s enough that we’re evenly split on the call. Let’s not do alternate reality timelines on what everything thinks would have happened if a certain call had been different. Take the win and move on

We’ll never know what could have happened, because your guy held the receiver. I just rewatched the play, it took 3 seconds of game time for the defensive lineman to get to Retzlaff. The WR was held after the first second. Retzlaff had 2 seconds of Gametime to throw the ball, which is plenty of time to throw a ball.

You guys should be happy i…[Read more]

That’s a barefaced lie and you know it. Retzlaff had maybe two seconds from the point the ball was snapped to the time he got sacked. It was a blown up play by the defense that never had a chance. In addition, the WR never even attempted to look back at the ball because the route tree was designed for him to get the ball much further down the…[Read more]

I feel like this has been rehashed over and over again. Go watch the video. When the hold happens, Retzlaff is upright and looking straight at the receiver being held. I don’t know if Retzlaff could have gotten him the ball and we’ll never know, but the hold absolutely affected the play.

Go to the 17 second mark when the hold took place on the video and tell me if Jake Retzlaff is on his ass or not.

But at 2nd and 18, Utah probably has to throw the ball, which they weren’t able to do much of last game. The momentum is also a factor. BYU still likely gets the stop, but we’ll never know.

The holding, I don’t think we know if it was inconsistent or not. Terry McAulay seems to insist that the holding in question was more egregious than what…[Read more]

We’ll have to agree to disagree because he clearly didn’t grab any chin strap. It wasn’t a facemask.