This doesnt sound good for anyone involved. RE: Retzlaff

[Ute Dub]

I won’t judge until the evidence is clear but damn, not the situation anyone wants to be in on either side.
Retzlaff rape accusations

[AZUTE]

Big first test for new AD and total scumbag Santiago.

My guess he’s already contacted multiple donors who will pay this girl off and it will all just magically go away.

Losing Rat would destroy any chance they have of competing in the big12 this season. Santiago and his Whales won’t let it happen.

But what about the Honor code and the whole no sex before marriage thing????

The honor code for athletes doesn’t exist anymore at BYU. It’s not even a thing.

Jake will be the starting QB game 1 and this won’t even get a mention.

Count on it.

[Ute Dub]

Maybe a dumb question but why is it a civil case and not criminal? Do they not have enough evidence?

Also, is raping someone against the honor code?

[NarfUte]

I think part of her claim is that Provo PD suppressed the evidence. If they did, it will come out in discovery and they very well could be filing criminal charges in the future (Hopefully it’s all not true)

[Central Coast Ute]

You answered your own question as far as the criminal aspect is concerned. No district attorney in the land would touch this. It would be very hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. To be fair, rape often is. He said she said cases are very difficult to convince a jury.

[Kellso]

I don’t know Santiago. I’m curious why so much negativity towards him? I haven’t heard anything good about him, just negative.

[NarfUte]

Obviously hopefully the allegations aren’t truthful. If it were ‘drunk and consensual’ and public like this, 15 years ago BYU would have kicked him off the team. Let’s see what they do now…

[RoboUte]

“The woman, identified in a 3rd District Court filing as Jane Doe A.G”

If they don’t even put her name how is BYU supposed to expel her?

[AZUTE]

If they identify her publicly she’ll be ripped to shreds by every Zoob and their dog.

[RoboUte]

That’s crazy because the BYU fans are telling me she has nothing to worry about. They’re completely sure of it, in fact.

[TruckStopTerrors]

I’m a believer that a legal adult accuser should be identified just as Retzlaff has. These type of allegations follow a man around for the rest of his life even when they are provably false. I also feel that if an allegation is proven false that the accuser should face the same punishment that the accused would have if he had done it. This would drastically cut down on the false accusations. There certainly could be some negative consequences like people not coming forward, but again, the standard would be if it could be proven the allegations were false or malicious, you would face the same consequences.

As far as this situation is concerned. The allegations are very troubling and we will see how this all shakes out.

[Ute Dub]

The girl got a rape kit and test done. So I’m sure there’s DNA evidence. The issue is whether he claims it was consensual.

Crazy. I get so tired of this. I almost want to require you to get a notary to sign with written consent before entering the bedroom. This would clear up the intentions. This girl drives from Salt Lake to Provo, has her friend leave the house, and leaves them alone as they enter the bedroom. There is some confusing communication happening. It is best to get the notary to sign off on the intentions.

[UteThunder]

If the accused is exonerated, then yeah, I could see naming the accuser. But to have to have your name attached to the accusation as the victim, when you have done nothing wrong, that would be terrible and prevent a lot of legitimate victims from coming forward.

[TruckStopTerrors]

Going to have to disagree with you. I think the name of the accuser and accused should be public. I think that’s the only way to be as fair as possible. You should put your name next to such an accusation because it’s so serious. As for BYU fans shaming her or anybody in that circumstance without the evidence, let them reveal themselves for what they truly are.

As for the rape kit, I think it’s likely going to show they had sex as the previous poster said, but hopefully we can find the evidence to determine whether it was consensual ot not.

[highlandute7]

Sexual assault or rape? Article states he is accused of sexual assault, not rape.

[Ute Dub]

What does this mean? “ The woman said she told Retzlaff “stop” and “no” as he was grabbing a condom, but alleges in the lawsuit that he did not stop and had sex with her.”

[highlandute7]

I am just pointing out that the article says he is accused of sexual assault, not rape. They are different. Not trying to argue. I guess rape charges could eventually be added but my guess is that will depend on the evidence.

“BYU football quarterback Jake Retzlaff has been accused of sexual assault in a civil lawsuit.”

[NarfUte]

It’s a civil suit- rape is classified as sexual assault in civil suits.

So far Provo AG hasn’t filed charges for a criminal case (which could be rape), but you have to think they’re triple checking what the officer knew 18 months ago

[RoboUte]

Those case files right about now

[Central Coast Ute]

Not all sexual assault is rape, but all rape is sexual assault.

[Tony (admin)]

Soaking gone wrong. Maybe the shaker can provide eyewitness testimony.

[ALUF]

Sad all around no matter how this ends.

[ProudUte]

CB, as you would expect, is in an uproar. Many on the CB like to make excuses for everything bad that happens. The link below is a new low. even the CB.

It’s Utah’s fault

As many of you have mentioned – it is sad for all involved, and there are no winners.

[RoboUte]

I still don’t entirely understand how so many of them are very clearly mentally ill.

[The Miami Ute]

Being honest though, there are more than a few posters calling BS on that narrative, In addition, the original post has twice as many down votes than thumbs up.

[beaslad]

To be honest, the ratio of calling it out vs agreeing is like 1:4 now.

[TheNuschler]

It’s been a few years since I looked over the CB. I’ve located all the Provo Incel’s….. no doubt.

[chinngiskhaan]

Can we please not do the zoob thing and say, “see everyone! This is WHO THEY ARE!!!”

Just let this play out. We don’t know what the truth is.

[Larry B]

Until someone posts this story in all caps with a bunch of spelling and grammatical errors, I’m going to say it’s fake news.

[RoboUte]

Caliman is being summoned. Call every swig in Provo. I want him found!

[UteFan Vineyard]

I hope it’s not true. Retzlaff seems like a decent person.

Unfortunately, even if he’s proven innocent, he’ll often be thought of in conjunction with this situation instead of just for his football skills.

[Utes 69]

welp, there goes the Heisman trophy !!

[Tony (admin)]

The new play for byu is a quarterback soak. Sorry, couldn’t resist. But seriously… what college football QB doesn’t get laid.

[Jim Vanderhoof]

Tony I think the core of the problem is putting religious shame on women for having normal desires. Resulting in guilt and shame after the fact. No means no reguardless of religion or any other excuse. It’s a no win situation for everyone involved and Utah State has had the same issues in the past. Utah State got mocked for addressing the problem in a team meeting with police officer and coaches. This could have some backlash on recruiting non LDS players.

[stbone]

Quarterback soak is hard to execute well, and it requires crowd participation. No player motion before the snap, but you get pre-snap tight end motion by the fans jumping in the stands.

[RoboUte]

“it requires crowd participation”

oh they’re freaky then

[TX_UTE]

Agree, sad story all around.

[AZUTE]

If BYU fans thought road crowds were bad last year they will be relentless this season if Rat plays.

BYU has been able to keep a lot of honor code violations private over the last few years that resulted in zero punishment for the offending players.

At the very least sex happened between Jake and the girl and it’s gone worldwide. Sitake and Santiago can’t hide this one.

This will be a fight between the AD and Honor code office. It will be a fun little side note to this story.

My guess. He gets suspended for their 3 games cakewalk non conference schedule.

[Anonymous]

BYU IS GONNA SHOVE THIS UNDER THE RUG UNTIL AFTER THE FOOTBALL SEASON IS OVER.

[Utesbyfive]

I may have a very unpopular opinion, but I don’t believe it on first blush. I’m just gonna take a wait and see approach.

[JGore]

Whether guilty or innocent, Cougar fan’s response to the Retzlaf situation serves as a stark reminder to me that I genuinely do not enjoy being TDS’ conference rival or sharing space with that fan base. I would hang my head in shame if Ute fans behaved in the same manner should our starting QB ever be accused of the same things.

[OmahaOmaha]

Have two daughters but also have a D1 athlete son so I too would like to relax, and wait and see what truths come out of this.

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