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    Crap, another invoice

    I was hoping this invoice for my Football tickets would have been paid by a kind stranger.  Looks like that hasn’t happend yet.  It’s not too late.  How do I start a fundraiser on this board?

  • Newbomb Turk

    I’ll match the lowest contribution.

    • PorterRockwell

      So magnanimous of you Turk 

    • Milton Vanderslice
      3

      You’re the best internet friend since that time I got into a online relationship with Manti Teo.

  • PorterRockwell
    1

    I’ve found that if I pay them I don’t keep getting them 🙂

    • Milton Vanderslice
      1

      That’s crazy talk.

      • PorterRockwell

        All I’m sayin is I got one for my tix and I paid it and I haven’t gotten one since.  Just sayin. But if you decide not to pay yours I know some people who’ll tske those tickets off your hands 

        • ladyinred

          I will take them! =)
          I am currently on some wait list, and I’m worried about my chances.

  • Tony
    1

    I think you have to die to do fundraisers here.

    • PorterRockwell
      1 1

      But what if you’re immortal like me? Are you gonna discriminate and tell me I can’t do a fund raiser here cuz I’m not taking a dirt nap?  Thst hardly seems fair 

       

  • Hal Evans

    Go fund me ….see how that works for you

  • Tony

    Yup.  All up to date.

  • 1MNUte

    how would one know if their site is “patched”?

    • fatManRacer

      Login, dashboard and updates. There is a block at the top of the screen that should tell you have the latest version or that you need to install an update.

       

      Messgae

  • Utah
    4

    Who are you most excited to see this spring?

    I’m going to take the obvious answer: Bateman vs Williams vs Huntley. 

    Is there any other answer than this one? This is the difference between a 6 win season and a 9 win season. 

  • Tacoma Ute

    I agree 100%. It could even be the difference between 5 wins and 11.

  • BCSx2
    2

    I’d also add the general look of the new offense. 

  • UteDuke
    1

    I think the QB battle will be very interesting, but I am expecting TW to keep the job. 

    I am excited to see our brand new secondary. We brought in some highly ranked players to fill the gaps and I want to see whether they’ll prove to be as good as advertized. Jaylon Johnson especially should be interesting because we could have him for a few years and I’ve heard many speculate that what has been Utah’s big defensive weakness is the absence of a corner that can cover the best PAC-12 receivers. Also, will Tyrone Smith make the transition to corner? He has been inconsistent as a receiver, so perhaps this could be a good move for him.

    • noneyadb

      could be wrong but I believe Johnson and Guidry won’t be enrolled at Utah until fall.

  • GameForAnyFuss
    1

    Who am I most excited to see this spring?
    Probably my parole board.

    Aside from that, the new OC.

  • Hypodactylus
    1

    Ugh…. It’s not even spring yet?  The offseason is soooo loooonnnnnggg……

  • UteThunder

    I am most interested in seeing the new offense and hearing Taylor interact with the media on a daily basis.

     

  • Tacoma Ute

    Apparently Bogut is heading to Philly…

    …as part of a trade for Nerlens Noel. Sixers also get a first round pick (top 18 protected) and Justin Anderson, whoever that is.

  • Milton Vanderslice

    How many more years do you think Bogut has left in the league?  4 tops?  2005 was a long time ago.  I hope he can get with a winner because Philly is a death sentance. 

    • Tacoma Ute
      1

      Now Wojnarowski reports that Philly and Bogut are already engaged in buyout talks. He wants to be a free agent. I’d love to see him here backing up Rudy.

      • jamarcus24
        1

        That would be great.  We have cap space to make it work this year.

        • Utah

          Not only do we have cap space, we are still under the salary floor, so we “have” to spend the money anyways. It would be fun to get Bogut back in Utah. 

  • Tacoma Ute

    Yeah. Four may even be stretching it.

  • Minnesota Ute

    Probably just one step ahead of the posse in Dallas, I was there a couple of weeks ago and even went to a game.  I was asking random people about Bogut, all of them not realizing that I’m a Utah homer, and they did not have many kind words for him.  They feel like they got hoodwinked on that deal.  I don’t know what they paid, but he hasn’t given them much for it.

    • Tacoma Ute
      2

      Too bad he’s been so injury prone. He’d fit right in with the Jazz. Favors is out half the time and if he plays he’s on limited minutes. Hood always has an injury or a tummy ache. Hill has a sore toe or something 1/3 of the time. Etc…..

    • PlainsUte

      I was ticked that Dallas did that deal because it allowed GS to get Durant.

      Bogut did have a good role at GS to be a distributor/rebounder for them; not sure he was properly utilitized in Dallas but I have not seen a lot of their games.

      I think the Milwaukee Bucks fans were also disappointed in his rate of injuries, but I guess playing that many games takes a toll on a big guy, not to mention that awful spill he took that busted his hamd and dislocated his elbow.

  • Hey all you sumbitches you know it’s Game Day right?! Beat the Buffs!

    NIT NIT NIT

  • Milton Vanderslice
    2

    Colorado will be a good marker for where we are right now.  We should win this, but it’s all up the players mental state.

    • PorterRockwell
      1

      yeah we should but this team just isn’t that good

      • Milton Vanderslice

        Neither is Colorado.

        • Tony

          Neither was Oregon State.

        • Tony

          Neither was Stanford.

      • Minnesota Ute

        I disagree with that statement.  This team is not just good, they are very good, but they are underperforming greatly.  I agree with Milt, it is their mental state.  Statistically, this team is excellent in many categories, and servicable in most others except turnovers, and are kind of low on blocks.  At the end of the day, this team has all the pieces to make a run IF they take care of the ball and IF they stay out of foul trouble.  Our weakness isn’t in not having good to great players, it is in our ability to avoid empty possessions and our depth.  Maybe we are a year away just due to inexperience, and yes, we lack a coulpe of 6’7-6’10 guys that are just enforcer types like a Jordan Bell.  I do worry about their mental state though, because talent-wise, I don’t think there is much difference between us, UCLA, Cal, and USC.  BTW, what an aweful choke job by Cal last night.  Held OU to something like 16 points in the first half and gave up something like 56 in second.  But at least they didn’t lose to OSU.  🙁

        • PorterRockwell
          1

          I wasn’t commenting on the talent, there is plenty of talent there.  They haven’t figured out how to play consistently like a team.  I posted an article a couple of days ago about communication etc.  They clearly don’t communicate as evidenced by the easy baskets they give up on defense.

           

          • Minnesota Ute

            Fair enough, with that I agree.  But I am puzzled why this is a problem.  It’s pretty fundemental and I really wouldn’t expect D1 players to not be willing or able to effectively communicate.  All that said, I still feel like it’s largely a crisis of confidence.  I personally don’t think our defense has been horrible and our rebounding has been fine.  So while our defense could be better and particularly locking down in close games, I feel like offense is our achilles heel. Sometimes we look awesome, and others we just look lost.  That is where I think we are the most disjointed, and it seems like the closer the situation, the tighter the game, the more lost we look.  We need to figure out how we get buckets in crunch time when we need them so we can win the close games instead of folding like a cheap tent.  We have the personnel to do it, but we have to know what we are trying to do, and execute.

        • Milton Vanderslice
          1

          What’s crazy is that it’s still technically possible to place 4th, I believe.

          • Stradlater

            What’s the tiebreaker if Utah manages to beat Cal next Thursday and they end up with the same conference record?

            • Milton Vanderslice
              1

              1. Two-team tie
              a. Results of head-to-head competition during the regular season.
              b. Each team’s record vs. the team occupying the highest position in the !nal regular standings, and then continuing down through the standings until one
              team gains an advantage.
              When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s record against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that
              group’s own tie-breaking procedure), rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
              c. Won-lost percentage against all Division I opponents.
              d. Coin toss conducted by the Commissioner or designee.

              2. Multiple-team tie
              a. Results of collective head-to-head competition during the regular season among the tied teams.
              b. If more than two teams are still tied, each of the tied team’s record vs. the team occupying the highest position in the !nal regular season standings, and
              then continuing down through the standings until one team gains an advantage.
              When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s record against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that
              group’s own tie-breaking procedure), rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
              If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied.
              c. Won-lost percentage against all Division I opponents.
              d. Coin toss conducted by the Commissioner or designee.

            • BulgieUte

              It’s crazy how Utah and Cal almost mirror each other. It’s very likely that the tie breaker would come all the way down to our Oregon State loss.

              Utah and Cal have not beaten UA/Oregon/UCLA.(tie)

              Both are 1-0 vs USC(tie)

              Both are 1-0 Vs Colorado, both still have 1 game vs Colorado.(possible tie)

              Cal is 1-1 vs Stanford. Utah is 0-1 vs Stanford but play them once more.(possible tie)

              Utah and Cal have not lost to ASU/WSU/UW.(tie)

              Cal vs OSU 1-0(1 game left vs OSU) Utah 1-1 vs OSU.(we’re f**ked)

               

  • PlainsUte

    Snowstorm brewing in Boulder, maybe that will be a good omen like the road trip to Washington state.
    The Utes are already in Boulder so no travel worries (‘cept maybe getting back to SLC).

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5Xs3-MVYAAFr8o.jpg

  • Hal Evans
    2

    Billy “The Hill” Mc Gill

    Reading his autobiography now . It is a good and fun read for real ute hoops fans. Pick it up cheap on Amazon

    IMO this is a must read on Chris Hill. Not a Kragthorpe fan but this column is

  • Puget Ute
    2

    That is a nice article. Chris Hill is a good guy.

    • Ute Bc

      It is a great article and Chris Hill is one of the best in the country.  Unfortunately, Pershing does not like him that much and is trying to squeeze him out.  Pershing is terrified of the cronies at the capitol, he’s a real step backward for the U.

      • 2

        Do you have inside information on this opinion?  I feel like Hill will be allowed to retire when he chooses. I hope his final walk off into the sunset is a shiny new South End zone and he will make the State Elected Morons pay for it. 

        • Ute Bc
          1

          I have inside info.  And, you will get your South End Zone.

          • 1

            Seems like the audit was a big win for Hill and the U. I see boosters for the most part happy with Dr Hill. I know a few of them from my finance days. I know some are not happy that he hasn’t spread the wealth to little pet projects of boosters. But for the most part they are not even close to pitchforks.

            Pershing is an outside hire. I never understood the hire with his background. At the time I thought maybe it is because Utah wants a new identity in the PAC. I hoped it meant he would move the U down a path away from the LDS connection but not ignoring the roots. Being sensitive to the many local LDS people who attend. Pershing seemed to win in the audit as well. I believe he knew there was nothing outrageous going on. Missing keys notwithstanding he scored quite a lot of political points in the process. I have no knowledge of Hill and Pershing’s relationship. I feel the level of cooperation that Utah did with the audit only will set up future projects. Such as South End Zone which the state of Utah should absolutely pay for.

            • Puget Ute
              1

              Outside Hire? What are you talking about? Pershing has been at the U for 3 decades now, is an excellent instructor, and even better researcher. He was the Dean of the College of Engineering for a long time, and spent 14 years as Sr VP of Academic Affairs (essentially in charge of all students and all faculty).

              True, he isn’t a politician and he probably doesn’t sufficiently fellate the legislature. But overall he runs a tight ship and has proven his strengths as an administrator.

            • Ute Bc

              Pershing was/is annoyed by the audit – but for all the wrong reasons.  

              • What reasons would that be?  You veil your answers too much?

                • Ute Bc

                  Sorry, thought it was more transparent.  Pershing was/is mad at Hill for canceling the game.  He was mad that they had to go through the audit and not mad at the legistlature but at Hill.  He will jump whenever those humps at the capital squeak.  He has no backbone.  

                  Better? LOL

                • 1

                  Ok I was looking for something less obvious. 

  • 1

    I went to Granger and never knew Hill taught at that school. Quite a career I still can’t believe he pulled off joining the PAC.

  • Utah
    4

    Hill is a top 3 AD in the country. We are lucky to have him. 

  • AZswayze
    6

    Utah softball faces first true test of the season Friday.

    They’re 8-0 with half their games ending by mercy rule, and they also have six shutouts already. They’re ranked 17th and look strong as ever. We’ve been longtime softball supporters and watching Hogue turn this program into an upper tier PAC12 team has been amazing. I remember going to games during their first season in the conference, and they looked completely out of place and overmatched. Somehow they managed to pull two conference victories out of their hat, but lost 22.
     
    They face #13 Tennessee on Friday and #7 LSU  on Saturday. We’ll have a pretty good idea just how good this team is by next week. I know most don’t care much about girls sports, I’m guilty myself, but softball is fast paced and the ladies really get into it. Worth a watch if you have some free time, especially if you’re a baseball fan. 

    Utah
    3

    If I ran the Jazz:

    I’d trade Favors, Exum, Hood for Lillard. Then some seconds for Deron Williams. 

    Lillard, Hill, DWill, Hayward, Gobert, Joe Johnson, Burks, Lyles. 

    That is easily the #3 team in the NBA and with Lillard, you can beat anyone on any day. 

    Lillard, Gobert and Hayward is as good a top 3 as Utah will ever get. 

  • Tacoma Ute
    1

    Let’s do it! There’s already a report that the Jazz are trying to get DWill back.

  • UtahUteGuy
    1

    No chance.  Portland ain’t trading Lillard to a division rival.  Plus, all the Zoobs would complain that we got stupid Lillard and not Jimmer, who is tearing things up in China. 

    • Utah

      I get it. Trading Dame to Utah is a big risk. BUT, they don’t get an offer as good as what I just offered them…from anyone. 

      Favors is a borderline All Star when healthy. You sit Favors the rest of the year. Get him 100% healthy. Stretch him out. Let him know that you want him to be the MAN for PDX. Remind him, that if he sits out this year, then comes back next year and gets you 18-20 points a game, 9 rebs and 2 blocks, he’d get max money from someone. 

      Hood is a solid starter and fits next to McCollum perfectly. 

      Exum is showing flashes. Worst case scenario, he is McCollum’s backup for a long time. Best case? He finds his groove and becomes a really, really, really good player. 

      Then, by trading Dame and sitting Favors the rest of this year, PDX will tank and tank hard. There is a shot you get a top 5 pick to go along with this haul as well. 

      No other trade gives PDX as much value as this trade gives them. 

      I’ll even sweeten the deal:

      If I’m Utah, I take Lillard and Miles Leonard. That helps Portland get rid of a bad contract. I send them back Favors (borderline All Star if healthy, if not, he clears 11 million after next season), Hood (good starter), Exum (still has an amazingly high ceiling) and Diaw (can clear 7.5 million after this year). 

      So, if you are Portland, by doing this trade, you have a kid with all star potential in Exum (who may or may not get there), a PF that is a borderline All Star who is a top 5 defensive big (Favors), a solid starter in Hood, AND you clear up 20 million dollars off your cap next season. 

      Porland would be crazy to NOT make this trade. 

  • TheJuggernaut
    1

    Portland has made Lillard the face of their franchise, not to mention it looks like he’s going to be a superstar for the next decade plus. They’d need more than Favors/Exum/Hood to part with him.

    • Utah

      Rumors are they are taking calls for Lillard. PDX feels that McCollum can be Lillard and McCollum is cheaper. 

      Look at what Sac got for Cousins. I get that Cousins has issues, but so does Lillard. Lillard isn’t as bad as Cousins, but he isn’t Gordon Hayward either. 

      I don’t see how PDX gets a better offer than Favors, Exum, Hood. I’d even toss in draft picks and help Portland clear cap space as well. 

  • Utahute72

    That’s an awfully lot to give up.

    • Hammer
      1

      Not really. Favors health uncertainty and trending bad health along with Exum (Unknown) and Hood trending inconsistent health for a certain product in Lillard or even McCollum is worth it IMHO.

    • TheJuggernaut
      1

      The Jazz would take that trade in a second.

      • Tacoma Ute
        1

        Yep but I don’t see Portland even thinking about it.

        • Utah

          BUT, and hear me out here, if Portland is going to move Lillard to rebuild, who gives them a better deal than that? One top 5 defensive big that can score 20 a night, a top 5 pick from two seasons ago, who still has a ton of potential, a solid starter in Hood, AND 20 million in cap space. 

          Who beats that for Portland? 

          • noneyadb

            This team just needs to stay healthy.

  • Tacoma Ute

    Looks like the deadline has come and gone. Nothing happened.

  • ironman1315

    I would have traded a first round pick and a second rounder for Delon.

  • Tacoma Ute

    Mavs have told DWill that they will pay off the rest of his contract if he wants to be a free agent. He’s reportedly considering the Jazz, Cavs and Hawks.

  • UteDuke
    3

    What do you think of this year’s “rivalry” game with BYU?

    I know there are those on this board that would prefer that we not discuss TDS at all, but it is our first real game of next season and will tell us a lot about the team. In addition to that, I got into a discussion with a pretty disallusioned BYU fan and needed a place to use actual logic to evaulate the game.

    The way I see it, I expect that our dominance continues for at least one more year.

    My thoughts:

    1. Utah’s current question marks are in the O-line and the secondary. The secondary might have been a concern considering the pass happy offense usually employed with Mangum on the field, but Utah brought in a stellar recruiting class and TDS lost the majority of their top receivers (who really weren’t that impressive anyway). Add in a dominant Utah pass rush and I anticipate the TDS offense will struggle to put together drives.

    2. The Utah offense is as of yet undefined, but with the return of TW and the majority of the recieving corps. the pass game should be solid. The addition of some highly rated receivers and the QB expertise of Troy Taylor could even take it to another level. The running game doesn’t have a guaranteed stand-out back, but Shyne and Moss should be able to keep things rolling and add balance to the offense. I don’t see TDS as having the talent to slow what could be a very dynamic offense. The biggest concern is of course the O-line, which will face their first real test against a physical defensive front.

    In the end I predict a win, with a strong potential of a multi-score victory.

  • Utah
    4

    I’m not worried about the OL. Not.AT.ALL. We are returning three starters: Barton, Falemaka, Uhatafe. Bartong and Uhatafe have LEGIT potential. Plus, we have a TON of talent and an AMAZING OL coach. We will be fine on the OL. 

    The secondary…that is a question, but I’m not worried about it vs FBYU-P and INT-making-machine-Mangum. Our DL will destroy them like usual and he will throw balls up for grabs and Hansen will have a career day. 

    We will beat them, like we always do. Their OL is subpar, they lost Jamaal Williams, who was their whole offense. Their defense is solid, but nothing special. 

    If we have an offense, we blow them out. Something in the 40-50 range vs 15-20-ish. 

    If we don’t have an offense, we beat them like we have the last three years before last year. We get up two scores in the fourth quarter, go conservative, they get within one score, we win, they crow about how they should have won. 

    I’d put the over/under on Mangum INT’s after the Utah game at 7.5. 

    There is a reason why Hill was their starter last year, and it isn’t because Mangum is the next Max Hall, John Beck, Jim McMahon, or Sark. It is because Mangum is a poor QB, who is statistically worse than Hill and Travis Wilson vs P5 schools. 

  • SkinyUte
    4

    If we can commit 6 turnovers and still beat them, I’d say our chances are pretty solid on a non-fluke day as well.

    Frankly, I’d just like to beat them soundly (14-20 points) without any sort of drama. However that happens, I’m cool with it.

  • Tony
    6

    At the risk of sounding like an arrogant P5 fan, I can’t help but thinking first about the talent gap.  It continues to grow.  Pure talent doesn’t win games, just ask USC.  But it sure helps. So as long as we can get it together by then from a chemistry and coaching standpoint, I see a win.  The zoo will certaintly be all stoked up, but hopefully can’t hang with us for long.

    Just think about it.  We’ve beaten them playing poorly and with nearly ZERO offense. Zero.

  • 2 6

    Wrong category first off.  

    But other than that great post I agree with everything.  

    • Utah
      10 1

      He’s talking about Utah football category police. Even the majority of his post is about Utah and breaking down Utah. Lighten up man. 

      • 7

        Ok work on that right away.  

        • Utah
          7

          Sometimes it seems like you just complain about everyone else’s posts. 

          Here is a well thought out post about football. What a godsend. Who cares what category it’s in? It’s football. Utah football. 

          • 5

            nm

          • PorterRockwell
            5 1

            Every society needs a Frank Burns 

    • PorterRockwell
      3

      Isn’t the TDS category for smack talk or something specific to them?  

      Lighten up you’ll live longer 

      • Milton Vanderslice
        3

      • 1

        You really took a one sentence statement and read into it to level an insult at me? Personally that is how I see it. The topic and the very first sentence the OP realizes that some people don’t want to talk TDS.

        I really like the post and I am disappointed in myself mostly that three of you felt the need the need to hijack it with insults. I see it that way now but my intent really is twisted by these replies.   But if this could please end now and leave it as wonderful post.

        I apologize to you, Milton, Utah and especially UteDuke if he took my post in that regard. I sincerely do want to work on it. 

  • Utahute72
    4

    If anything BYU lost more than we did.  Last year was probably their best shot and they blew that one.

  • ladyinred
    5

    I was recently in a room with several zoobs (I appreciate your condolences in advance). They are pretty high on their chances this year, but aren’t they every year? Anyway, they think sitake is the savior, and he’s going to get them back to their glory days. Sitake is an upgrade from donko, but their most recent recruiting class was unimpressive, so I’m not seeing it. 

    All that said, Utah does a magnificent job of s**tting the bed at times, so I’m not overly confident. I’d give us a 25-30% chance of losing. The new offense is a big question mark, otherwise I may give us better odds. Just not sure how long it will take to click. 

     

     

    • zeous
      1

      Can’t blame them for having hope because the distraction that is the game would be pretty pointless otherwise.  Definitely agree that over confidence on our part is unwarranted. 

    • Puget Ute
      1

      See this is where I disagree. I am a big fan of Kalani Sitake and think he is just a great human being.

      However, he is nowhere near the level of coach that Bronco was. KS may be/likely is a better recruiter, but he has a long way to go to match BM’s game-time adjustments. He made his share of boneheaded calls, but even Bronconi never attempted to run a fake punt out of his own end zone.

      • TheJuggernaut
        1

        I keep hearing about the “Sitake Effect” on recruiting, but this year’s class, ranked #63 by Rivals, which Sitake had 14 months to prepare for, was no better ranking wise than the last decade of classes under Bronco. They already have 8 commits for 2018, it’s looking like more of the same.

  • noneyadb
    5

    Personally I’m more worried about North Dakota than byu.

    • Utahute72

      That is North Dakota, not North Dakota State.  The Hawks, not the Bison.

      • Tacoma Ute

        Yes but North Dakota finished #12 in both FCS polls last year.

      • noneyadb

  • GameForAnyFuss
    8

    What do I think of this year’s “rivalry” game with BYU?

    I think we should cancel it.