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    Larry B

    Did slingtv drop the Pac12 Network?

    I’m looking at my guide and I no longer have Pac12. It still shows that I’m subscribed to the sports package. Anyone else having this problem?

  • Tony

    Hmm i can check tonight.

  • cbmute

    I just tried it and was able to watch the PAC12 Network. 

  • rbmw263
    1

    I’m going to be really sad if we only get one year

    To watch Garrett Bolles. So much fun to watch him just absolutely bury guys. So incredibly athletic. He’s going to be special

  • 1

    He might go first round. That is a lot of money and College athletics is basically post Civil War apprenticeship slavery.  I hope he goes and makes bank. 

    • 6

      “He might go first round. That is a lot of money and College athletics is basically post Civil War apprenticeship slavery.”

      Every single one of these guys has the option play in the Arena Football League. Minimum age required is 18 and they can earn from $500 to $800 per game. I personally think that the NCAA option of playing for an education plus room and board is a pretty darn good deal. Go to the right school and the connections you make will lead to a career after you’re done with the game or the game is done with you. That’s pretty unlikely with the other options.

    • Hammer
      5

      Oh my hell. Do the math. All of the quantitative items I’m about to lay out are expenses that college athletes don’t have to pay with their after tax dollars. 1) Elite coaching, trainers, staff, video coordinators, etc. 2) Elite training facilities, equipment, shoes, clothes. 3) Top of the line nutrition and nutritionists available 24 7. 4) All the other stuff: room, rent, degrees, tutors, etc.

      Good Hell! Take your talents to another field like Accounting or Engineering if you don’t like this slavery.

      • How much do Universities and the NCAA make off these kids relative to what they make them do? I don’t blame anyone that leaves for money over staying in the ridiculous NCAA. 

        Also they punish kids who want to leave programs. Make them sit out a year. Yet if Whitt or Sitake or any of them want to leave for money they face nothing in way of punishment.  

        • Utah

          How do you change it? Do you let kids transfer whenever they want? Those universities put a lot of money into kids. Teachers, meals, plane flights, gyms, etc. 

          If you allow kids to transfer whenever they want, then they all end up at 4-5 schools and you have kids transferring every year. It would be chaos and would defeat the whole “student” part of the student athlete. 

          Whitt can leave for any reason at any time, provided he pays the penalties for doing so. 

          Now, I’m ok with paying players, but the simple reality is this: Football brings in a s**t ton of money. BUT, a lot of that money is used to support the Olympic sports. If you started to pay players, you have to pay all the players, from football down to women’s lacrosse or whatever. When you do the math on that, there isn’t that much left over. 

          There are a couple schools that make money hand over fist. Most don’t. The only way to do what you want to do is to form a semi-pro league, have revenue sharing, and make players sign contracts. But, if that were to happen, you’d lose a lot of what makes college great and players would still be bound to the team they play for, and probably more so than they are now. 

          So, we wouldn’t really solve anything (except that players would get paid. BUT, what good is $30,000 a year for four years when compared to an education? You’d probably be smarter to NOT get paid and get a free degree instead). 

          • ironman1315

            My problem with the NCAA is that they don’t allow the kids to sell their likeness. That is borderline unconstitutional.

          • The TV money is getting ridiculous for College Football but maybe it will fix itself. Personally what I know about concussions I am not letting my kids play Football. Crazy reality is that Football won’t exist in 20 years maybe.  Maybe that is why the NFL ratings are getting lower in combination with other factors. 

            Reality is those top 30-40 schools can afford to have kids transfer repeatedly. I think if a coach is fired or leaves a school those kids can look around and decide to leave just like the Coach did. Many kids commit to the school and value a degree. Those top 20% of athletes commit to a school because it is an avenue to the NFL. You think DT prospects commit to Utah for the education or because they get drafted first or second round from Whitts program?

  • Utah
    1

    It wouldn’t shock me if all three guys stay for Utah (Lowell, Bolles, Marcus Williams). 

    Let me break it down for you peeps. Top 15 picks get about 15-20 million dollars guaranteed.

    Picks 15-30 get approx 10 million dollars guaranteed.

    Second round picks get 4 million guaranteed.

    Third round picks get a 4 year, 2.5 million-ish deal with zero guaranteed money. 

    So, if you have first round potential, which Marcus, Bolles and Lowell have, but aren’t slated to go first round, you come back. The money is too big to leave early (look at Sealver Siliga, if he would have come back and played next to Star, he’d been a first round pick. Instead he bounced around the NFL for years on practice squads). 

    All three players have first round potential, but none will go first round this year for different reasons.

    Lowell – Big time disappointing season. Maybe we expect too much of him, but he had a very good season. First round picks should have amazing seasons. 

    Bolles – His footwork is terrible. Which is a testament to how good he is. Plus, he has a very, very, VERY checkered past. His past alone probably keeps him from the first round. Another year to show that he has changed and also show improvement would make him a potential top 3 pick. Bolles is the perfect example of my money example above. If he leaves early, he is a second to third round pick. That’s about $0-4 million he will take if his career doesn’t pan out. If he comes back and blows up like he should, he’d be a top 3 pick and get 25+ million guaranteed. That’s life changing money. 

    Marcus – He needs to improve his body. Everything else is there. Athleticism, smarts, ability. He’s just a little small. If he gets bigger, he’d be a first round pick. 

    So, it wouldn’t shock me if all three come back. And if they do…whoa. Look at our DL:

    Fitts, Anae, Lowell, Mokofisi…wow. 

    Our LB’ers would be stacked as well with Chase Hansen, Luafatasaga (who has been unreal the last couple of games), Thompson and Hamilton. 

    We could have the best front seven in the conference next year. 

    Same with our OL. We’d bring back Bolles, Uhatafe, Falemaka, and Barton. Holy s**t. 

    Then add in Moss and Shyne and our WR’s are improving as well. 

    And then Troy Williams. 

    • noneyadb

      What happened to Tupai? With the need at LB I’m surprised he didn’t see the field at all this year? Radio guys were talking about somebody transfering from the program but didn’t comment who…

      • Utah
        1

        Maxs Tupai redshirted. He asked to redshirt. He will factor heavily in the rotation next year. 

        I don’t know of anyone transferring, but there will always be transfers. I’d bet a WR or two and if we get all the DB recruits we want an upperclassman DB. 

      • Utah

        Also, as tough as LBer was this year, it will be a strength next year. 

        Luafatasaga was great the last couple games. Hansen may end up there. Tauteoli will be back. Thompson and Hamilton will be available as well. LB will finally be PAC-12 level next year. 

    • Big Kahuna

      Lowell played hurt much of the year. We do not get any information on injuries unless they are season ending. That said he should come back.

      Marcus and Bolles should also come back. Their path is a little more gray as both received some post season All American recognition. That said Bolles needs to improve on his pass blocking.

      Hard to say Siliga would have been a first round pick if he had stayed. That said the premise is correct, his path to the NFL would have been much more level than the route he had to fight through. That said none of know of the family financial pressures each young man faces although I’d guess that Lowell’s is less than the others due to the obvious.

  • Utahute72
    2

    Really good discussion of the potential for each of these guys declaring on one of the pay sites. The take on Bolles is that right now he would project as a RG or RT, and a project at LT (which is where the real money is). That would put him at a second or third round pick. Much better for HIM to stay and develop with another year at D1 level and go in as an LT the following year.

  • rbmw263

    It was really frustrating when uvu got about 4 straight buckets

    On simple pick and roll. All right at the basket. I really hope Collette can defend a bit

  • Tony

    All night that burned us, until about the last minute of the game.  Then we shut it down.

  • Milton Vanderslice

    Going to the well until we they were stopped.  Hmm, maybe our football OC can learn something from the UVU basketball team.

  • ironman1315
    1

    The plan was to let them do that. They knew that team could nail the 3 so they took that away from them. Or so I’ve heard.

  • Rick

    They had coach Slocum on ESPN700 and he said that they didn’t defend the pick and roll with backside defenders because they wanted to protect the 3 point shot.  UVU played the game with 4 outside shooters and a big.  They gambled on making the big beat them and they almost lost that bet.

  • 3

    Steve Smith is just a great person

    Yoda costume

     

    Steve Smith did his annual shopping spree with kids in Baltimore.  He saw this Yoda onesie and needed to wear not waste it.

     

     

  • ironman1315
    2

    Son, ice up you better hmm?

  • 9

    Dimick PAC 12 Defensive POY

    DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR

    Utah DE Hunter Dimick: Dimick leads the Pac-12 and is tied for third in the nation in sacks (14.5) and tackles for loss (20.5). A four-year starter, he has a school-record 29.5 career sacks and his 44.5 career tackles for loss is third all-time at Utah. Also, he is currently tied for the Utes team lead in pass breakups with six and ranks fourth in tackles with 53. The coaches chose Adoree’ Jackson as their Player of the Year, and that’s a great choice, too. Within the ESPN.com discussion, there was a not unjustifiable advocacy for UCLA DE Takkarist McKinley, who might have a brighter NFL future. But if Pac-12 folks wanted a different defensive player of the year, they should have blocked Dimick better. Finally, while it’s not a football thing, we will also admit that Dimick earning Pac-12 All-Academic honors all four years — including first-team status in 2015 and 2016 — didn’t hurt his candidacy. A communications major, he carries a 3.33 grade point average.

  • ESPN gets it…..

    I will have to say Dimick was kind of quiet in most of PAC12 games.  He exploded in about two games. Zona and ASU.  

  • 1

    Also that five down lineman crap needs to go away totally removed him from the play at times.  

    • pedro

      Don’t often agree with you BU, but you’re dead on with this one.  A) It takes HD out of the play, B) if a RB can get past the first guy, he was guaranteed to get at least 5 yards.  Bad idea.  There is a reason most teams do not do it.

    • Xanthis

      I agree that 5 down lineman is a bad idea, but for some reason Scalley didn’t think Donovan was ready to play and there is no depth at LB to even play 3 without Donovan.

  • I thought the 5 down lineman was to compensate for lack of linebackers which was filled by Chase Hansen playing hybrid safety/linbacker?

  • leftyjace
    2

    Coach Kodiak kicks cancer's can to the curb (hear what I did there?)

    http://www.sltrib.com/blogs/uofusports/4679576-155/utah-basketball-larry-krystkowiak-says-on

    Pretty tough move – the thyroid is an important organ. My g/f has thyroid issues and it really messes with her at times. I’m glad he’s in good shape now. I want him around for a looooooooooooong time.

    leftyjace
    2

    New Commit – we're up to 7 now!!!

    Maybe they’ll start rolling in a bit?

    http://www.sltrib.com/blogs/uofusports/4680292-155/utah-football-juco-db-tareke-lewis

  • Utahute72

    There is a recruiting quiet period that starts on the 11th, so if we pull in a few more before then it will probably go quiet until January.

  • UTE98

    2018 seems to be off to a good start as well.

  • rbmw263
    5

    Congrats to the UVU on being the second best team in the state

    Fantastic accomplishment for them

  • GameForAnyFuss

    So the pecking order in the state of Utah this year is:

    Utah
    UVU
    BYU-P
    Utah St./SUU

    Sounds about right.

    • bopahull

      Not nice to dis Weber like that, they didn’t even make your instate list. LOL

  • Tony

    We’re going to need to get a lot better

    Post UVU comments.  It was a fun game to watch, but…

    Yes I know we have some impact players coming to the team soon.  Still, it’s going to be a long season in the Pac-12 if we don’t improve, a lot.

  • 2

    Utah beat UVU who beat BYU, so Utah > BYU. Hey now!

  • Milton Vanderslice

    UVU was money.  Nielsen was a beast down low.  They are a solid team and earned my respect.

  • Milton Vanderslice

    After tonight’s game, I’d love to drop BYU and keep a yearly game with UVU.

  • pedro

    My only concern really is our team defense looked horrible tonight.  Down low and up top.  Very little effort to fight through screens, very poor help d, very slow to rotate, etc…  Those are very coachable things and I’m sure Coach K will be lighting a few guys up, I’m mean coaching them up.  No worries just yet.  

    • Trumpet Ute
      1

      In the post game radio interview, Coach K said that they intentionally did not bring help on the pick and roll. The strategy was to not get beat by the three point shot. The strategy worked , though it looked ugly.

       

      • pedro

        That makes much more sense.  I wish I could have listened to his comments

         

  • leftyjace
    1

    Sooo….. UVU.

    Will the JMHC be full tonight?
    Will it be a good game?
    Will Ogbe go off for 30?
    Will Devon Daniels hit his first outside shot?
    Will ANYONE hit an outside shot besides Kuzma and Bonam?
    Will I finish my Yoshi bowl before tipoff?

  • Tony
    1

    Ogbe won’t even score tonight. 

  • Snow until ten PM looks light enough. Wish I was going but I gots to work. 

  • rbmw263

    The hunt will be 1/3 full at best’

    Ogbe will go off, starting slow but hitting 3 3s in a row at one point

    Utah will go 3/18 from 3

    Utah will win by 24

    • Tony

      And I’ll be 1/3 there mentally.

  • leftyjace

    Was a good game. Definitely more than 1/3 full.