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[UTE98]

Let’s face it with USC and UCLA’s move they haven’t really screwed Utah and Colorado the newest members as bad as they have Cal, Stanford (maybe), Oregon State, Washington State, Oregon (maybe), Washington (maybe). All teams with a much longer history in the Pac than Arizona, Utah, Colorado, and ASU.

Think about this, even if we don’t make a move to the Big XII before the end of this next football season Utah is in the best position to make the CFP out of all the Pac 12 schools. If we can swing the CFP this year we will be one of only three Pac 12 teams to have made the CFP. (Oregon in 2015, Washington in 2017.) And that has to help us in the Big10, and other discussions. GO UTES!!!!!

I know this sounds really arrogant, but what UCLA and USC have done is make the left coast states much more isolated in the college football landscape. I can see Cal and Stanford moving much more to an ivy league type status than continuing as P5s. Football just isn’t that important to them in the big scheme of things.

Do I want Utah to be so focused on football the academics don’t matter? No, but neither do I want them to be so academic they remove the emphasis from sports. I want my Alma mater to be balanced.

So right now the hinge teams Utah, Colorado, Arizona and Arizona St seem to have quite a bit more power than originally thought. If college football moves to a semi-pro type set up with teams split up into two leagues and divisions across the country I won’t care as much to watch.

From what I can see right now the Eastern four are in a great position to negotiate a shift left or right from a conference perspective.

 

[Ute2]

this all sucks but it will be fun, however, to be in a conference where fan support and investment is a lot better.  

fan support(or lack thereof) is a major reason we’re here.  I think a majorly understated factor is that west coast lost interest in CFB by and large.  How many empty stadiums did we play infront of during the pac-12 time?  

cal, always emptystanford, always empty

oregon, full or mostly soosu, hit and miss, but a lot of miss

ucla, often empty.(2018 was a ghost town)

usc, hit and miss, big miss if they weren’t really really good.  

arizona, hit and miss but slot of miss.

az state, hit and miss.  They cut seats

wazzu, very empty 

Washington, largely full right?

cokorado, often empty. 

utah, ‘x’ straight sellouts!  Boo-ya!!!  We were the ONLY ones!  (On a positive note, a Utah market that REALLY freaking cares is alot better then a Bay Area that doesn’t care worth a soggy duke in the public park.  Our eyes will be watching that dang tube! Engagement better be a huge factor when the major two consider future expansion.)

I think this was a bell-weather for asses in front of a tv too so…. not good.  If we’d all as a conference been tuning to the p-12 network, Larry would’ve looked like a genius and forced direc-tv’s hand.  But the west coast said, “meh, we’ll go walk our dogs and get some coffee, check out the latest indie band.” Larry was a big d but but he wasn’t in my opinion behind west coast apathy.  The Midwest and the south loveeeeee them some college football.  So they’re calling the shots now.  

 

 

 

 

 

[Trailgoat]

A lots gonna go down before the season starts. B12 seems to be Utah’s only option at this point. If true, B10 likely told Utah, ASU, and AZ you better find a home right now because there are no plans to invite you at this point. UW and OU on the other hand have to be holding invites from the B10 waiting to sort out the legal rangling with WSU and OSU, also in a holding pattern waiting for the ND domino to fall.  UW and OU have been very, very low key since the big announcement. Stanford and Cal are no way going to be left out. All guess work of course, next week will be intersesting.

The complacency of P12 ADs, Presidents, and Kliavkoff got them snot bubbled by USC and UCLA’s stealth dealing with the B10. As cozy Kliavkoff has been with USC it’s crazy how he did not have any intel on what was happening behind the scenes. Larry Scott did his number, but man, he had a solid supporting cast contributing to the P12 meltdown. 

 

[GameForAnyFuss]

Make no mistake: The Big 12 would only be serving as our life raft until an eventual B1G invite.

[AZUTE]

The Pac12 is dead. The sooner you realize it the better off you’ll be.

No team from the Big12 is leaving to join a unstable conference like the Pac12

No group of 4 from the MWC is going to fix losing the marquee teams that have left and will be leaving eventually. You’d be well behind the Big12 and light years behind the Big10 and SEC.

The Utes can’t sit around and see where the cards fall. They have to prepare now for the inevitable which is the complete collapse of the Pac12.

They are only getting into the Big10 or SEC if they expand to 20+ teams. That’s not a guarantee so if Utah waited to see if that happened they would get squeezed out of the Big12 and end up back in the MWC. Which would set the program back a decade or more.

The Big12 is a lifeboat get in it for survival right now and figure out your next more in 5 years.

If the Big12 offers you take it.

[Michael Gaston]

Kansas State grad here. I would not pay too much attention to most Baylor fans. They are only in the Big 12 because of Ann Richards and they know it. Most fans of the Irate 8 would welcome Utah to the Big 12. You will find the Big 12 to be very competitive in most men and women’s sports. Some of the teams have an excellent following for road football games. For the most part, visiting fans are treated quite well when on road trips.

[Charlie]

I pretty much agree. I learned long ago to analyze with math not emotion to get at solutions. The critical math will be regional TVs followed by interest level in a particular school as a modifier. It must be an interesting balance between the older generation that remembers the previous century of football vs folks 30s and under that only relate to the last 20 years max. The emotional discussion will sound like the ‘7 blind men and the elephant’. The marketing experts that are calling the shots are unemotionally running the math with an eye looking at the next 10 or 12 years. When they do, I expect there is no assessment of conference power and will rank the Big 12 and Pac by individual schools which will look like a shuffled deck. To come up with the best line up, I expect both conference contracts get in the way to add and subtract schools. Four conferences for playoffs is much more tidy than 5. Someone needs to take the lead and come up with the best schools that are not SEC, BIG, ACC and make a case. Be prepared to allow the SEC and BIG to more money and have playoff advantages. Helpful to this effort is the Big 12 and Pac have enough good teams that to crown a champ a case can be made to consider them. So who will be the 12 or 14 schools when starting over to pitch as the forth and last power conference?

[Extra Medium]

Baylor is garbage. The big 12 is garbage. If we end up joining the Big 12 it is not because we want to it is only because we have to survive. That being said the Big 10 will always be the goal. Just like when we were in the MWC always looking to the Pac-12 we’ll be in the Big 12 working behind the scenes to get into the big 12.

[UteFanatic]

I find it odd that you’re shotgunning this across Pac12 message boards and then relaying the responses back to Cougarboard. 

https://www.cougarboard.com/board/message.html?id=28854493

https://www.cougarboard.com/board/message.html?id=28860295

But, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and give you a serious response. So go ahead and take what I say here and share it with your Cougarboard buddies!

Of course there are going to be some fans that are disappointed about going from the Pac12 to the Big12. Is this surprising? Were you happy when UT and OU left and the Big12 backfilled with a bunch of G5 teams that nobody wanted until desperation mode struck? No, of course you weren’t. But in the end, you accepted it, and made peace with the new reality. The same will happen for the fanbases in the Pac12.

The biggest problem with the new Big12 is there isn’t any bluebloods, and will therefore will always be on tenuous footing. Especially if the BIG/SEC decides to poach a few more teams from the ACC/BIG12/PAC12 in order to build up their superconferences and kill off everyone else. The only stable conferences through the years are the ones that have at least one blueblood, acting as the binding agent that keep the conference together. A Baylor fan should understand that better than anyone.

The entire landscape of college football shifted dramatically 5 days ago. Anyone who has been paying attention the last few years knew that power consolidation among two conferences was the ulimate goal. So it wasn’t a surprise to see USC leave, it was inevitable.

But that doesn’t mean it’s not disappointing to the fans. The disappointment is not so much the prospect of joining the Big12, it is because the P5 has officially died. It is now P2 versus everyone else. So, you’ll have to forgive some fans for not being excited about this new era of college football.

With that being said, you’ll find that the vast majority of Ute fans aren’t holding out hope for a B1G invite. There’s always a delusional idiot or two that overvalues Utah’s brand or just simply doesn’t understand the CFB landscape and how it works. For example, there was a BYU fan on /r/cfb yesterday that made a complete ass out of himself by telling everyone how BYU has veto power and will block Utah from being invited to the Big12 because Utah was mean to them and hurt their feelings. He got roasted by the /r/cfb community and rightfully so. Delusion exists in every fanbase.

https://twitter.com/LuckeyUte/status/1543774011842105346

Here’s where I stand. I think all signs are pointing to the best Pac12 teams being absorbed by the Big12. That seems to be what most analysts and talking heads think will happen. I agree, and to the horror and dismay of BYU fans, Utah probably makes the cut. 

I see the Big12 being proactive and inviting Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, and Colorado. This effectively guts the Pac12 and also gives UW and UO no choice but to come along if they don’t get their B1G invite. But they won’t come until they get a hard no from the B1G, and probably the SEC and ACC as well.

That rounds out the additions to 6 teams: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Colorado, Oregon, and Washington.

This is not a bad conference. No premier teams, but Oregon is close to being one. UW isn’t far behind. 

I am under no illusion about what Utah is. They’re a solid program with multiple top 25 finishes over the last 20 years and a recent conference championship and a very competitive and highly ranked/viewed Rose Bowl game with Ohio State. Unlike other Pac12 programs, they prioritize football, and regularly fill the stadium with passionate fans. They also average nearly 1M viewers per game. The WSJ ranked them as the #37 most valuable program in college football. That puts them in the upper third of the current Big12/Pac12 teams, and ahead of Baylor (#59) and BYU (#60).

https://graphics.wsj.com/table/NCAA_2019

Utah isn’t going to be invited to the B1G or SEC unless the P2 decides to go nuclear and balloons to 24+ teams. The Big12 is Utah’s best option unless Phil Knight decides to drop billions to save the Pac12. I have no problem joining a conference with the “best of the rest”. CFB is already dead, but at least the Big12 has some decent teams and the football will be entertaining.

I do wonder if the Big12 has some buyers remorse with the G5 teams they added last year, though. My guess is those programs wouldn’t even be considered by the Big12 right now given the choices of the Pac12 teams to choose from. It’s unfortunate, because the conference has a lot dilution and that may end up really hurting it in the long run. That’s why some people are saying it would be best for the existing two conferences to disband and re-form with the 16 best teams. 

 

[Yergensen]

Your slanted criteria aside (excluding brand cachet, CFP appearances, NY6 appearances, using preseason rankings, citing one of the few preseason rankings that excludes Utah), any superiority slights you perceive may actually have more to do with current big picture reality and our seeing the big picture than it has to do with you.  

Like one of your myopic, low self esteem colleagues that we know well, you think think last week’s development only affects the PAC, that your membership to the club will still be good and your conference just moved up a notch in pecking order.

Reality is this is moving to a two conference club leaving everyone else out, yourselves included.  So, forgive us if we don’t seem impressed or concerned with switching deck chairs on the Titanic at the moment.