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[rbmw263]

Frustrating that we arent getting a ton of credit for that win. Almost none nationally. That was a win over a top 20 caliber team in their building with one of the smartest matchup/schematic coaches in the country coming off a bye week. The wtf Stanford game is keeping their perception way down. Well below where their actual standing based off their entire satistical bodyof work places them. Not saying they deserve to be ranked top 20 by any means, but its arguably as tough of a win as…say…Baylor, who sits 3 spots behind UW in FPI and 9 spots behind is s/p (1 spot adv in sag), when you factor in their bye week its certainly close

[Swoop Doggy Dogg]

Looking at a couple of computer rankings like Massey, Sagarin, and SP+, Utah’s strength of schedule is middle of the pack compared with the rest of top ten. 

Utah doesn’t have a signature win, but overall their SOS is within reason and certainly better than even teams ranked above them. Utah has just played a bunch of teams hovering around .500. No Arkansas or Rutgers in conference play. 

This is what make college footbal interesting, but also annoying. Quality losses, quality wins. What other sport is ever talked about in those terms? 

 

[Hal Evans]

Way too early but interesting…..Utah #10 in Sagarin Basketball ratings

[Swoop Doggy Dogg]

Minnesota’s SOS will improve this last month.

Also, Utah’s isn’t that bad. Yeah, the Utes don’t have top 25 wins, but overall the SOS is better than Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, Baylor, and Clemson according to Sagarin. In the ballpark of LSU, Penn State, ND, and Michigan.

[Warrior Ute]

There is often a complaint about the PAC 12 strength of schedule and it impacting our rankings. I thought I would compare the AP top 10 teams” strengths of schedules as rated by Sagarin and Massey and rank them 1 to 10.

Sagarin Massey

LSU 4 3

Alabama 9 8

Ohio St 2 4

Clemson 10 10

Penn St 5 5

Georgia 8 9

Oregon 3 2

Utah 6 6

Oklahoma 7 7

Florida 1 1

Of one loss teams, both systems rank strongest schedules as follows: Oregon, Utah, Georgia and Oklahoma.

For interest:

My kids were taking some college prep stuff recently and we did some study with analogies.

I used the points awarded in each ranking to see the difference between strength of schedules to create these analogies:

Massey

Alabama is to Utah as SMU is to Alabama

Alabama is to Oregon as Temple is to Alabama

Sagarin

Alabama is to Utah as Middle Tennessee is to Alabama

Alabama is to Oregon as San Jose State is to Oregon

[rbmw263]

i thought USC at least matched us physically in that game and probably outplayed us there..I think we would win the hypothetical rematch in LA, but it would probably be close. I agree we do take something out of teams with that physicality, but it takes something out of us too. That aint a 1 way street. 

November meltown is irrelevant at this point. Not that we arent in danger of dropping one of these next 3, but those meltdowns were usually a result of a lack of depth to maintain given injuries. The offense always had underlying deficiencies or weaknesses that manifested in November (while defense was the inuries and depth). Those deficiencies arent there with this team and theres definitely more depth. Theres still a few injuries we cant afford (TH/ZM/an LB) but those would come into play in Dec/Jan, not Nov.

Arizona and Colorado are the two worst teams in the p12 per sagarin. Theres some Tuscon late in the season ptsd there, but those should be wins even if the “worst case scenario” comes into play. UCLA will probably be a 2TD underdog, but they are putting it together. Thats a losable game if we dont put a decent+ game together

[Tony (admin)]

Type sagarin in the search box: https://www.utehub.com/forums/search/sagarin/

[rbmw263]

but s&p, Sagarin, and Vegas all give us about a 4 point edge. Utah is 16 spots higher in massey composite. So, essentially, their argument was math based while using the OUTLIER as evidence.. just….lol

[PlainsUte]

I am not a betting guy, but if I were, I would put some $$ on USC this week.  4.5 seems low.  Another objective system Sagarin thinks USC is 15 points better than TDS.  So even with the 2.25 home field advantage the expected marginl is still better than 12 pts and you’d only be giving 4.5 pts, that’s like getting a free touchdown.

[Gary Sapp]

I realize this is about as serious as the preseason rankings, but it something else to discuss.

Sagarin has us at 22nd with an 81.15 value. He has our first opponent at 69.59 and even with the home field advantage bonus that gives us a projected 9+ point win.

Not suggesting you go out and put any M&M on this, but just one more indication that the Cougarboard people may be a tad delusional.