They love twisting themselves in knots about how Whitt is a terrible coach.
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Pace, I found your people.
The funny thing is, if you take away the trophy, he instantly becomes the fourth, if not worse, best coach ever in the state.
Now, that trophy is everything, but other than playing a p**s poor schedule and barely beating a bad Michigan team with their third? fourth? string QB in a bowl, he wasn’t better than Whitt or Urban or even Bronco.
This take is just as crazy as them trying to discredit Whittingham.
LaVell was a great coach with or without their MNC. Not as great as their fans want to believe, but he was great, and for a looonng time, too. Whittingham is a great coach, too.
The problem with trying to compare Whit to LaVell is that the MWC Kyle coached in was head and shoulders above the WAC LaVell coached in. Then comes the transition to the Pac-12 for which there is no comparison.
LaVell played in a different time and different set of circumstances. Bronco’s winning percentage is better than LaVell’s and LaVell averaged 1 P5 school a year, Bronco was almost three. And Utah sucked when LaVell was around (at least the beginning 2/3rds) and there was no TCU. What Bronco did was a lot more impressive than what LaVell did. PLUS, LaVell didn’t have to worry about the honor code like Bronco did.
LaVell did what he was supposed to do, with three times the athletic budget of anyone else: win. And he won. And he should get credit for that.
But if you were to line up the head coaches that coached in this state and hold a draft, it would look like this:
Urban, Whitt, Ike Armstrong, Bronco, LaVell. Maybe you flip Bronco and Armstrong because of all the extra BS Bronco had to deal with down there.
LaVell won a national championship, which is amazing. BUT, when you look at 2004, 2008 and 1984, 2004 and 2008 were much more impressive seasons. When you look at the teams Urban and Whitt beat, what they did was much, much more impressive.
BYU was lucky they lived in a time where they could scam their way to a national title.
Here is some more info on LaVell: He had some DISTINCT advantages. BYU was spending twice as much money on their athletic department as any other school in the WAC/MWC.
Bronco didn’t have that. He had Utah and TCU in the same realm as BYU.
What does that mean? LaVell could hire a lot of damn good coaches and he did. Bronco? He was stuck hiring HS coaches and s**tty former BYU players.
LaVell didn’t have the honor code, Bronco did. LaVell didn’t play a good Utah and TCU every year. Bronco did.
I’d take Bronco over LaVell any day of the week, all other things being equal.
I’d place LaVelle third, behind Ike and Whitt. If your working across eras you need to look within that period to get a valid take. Ike Armstrong had a national presence when that was almost impossible for a western school outside the LA area. Second would be Whitt, his BCS appearance and second place finish is easily equivalent to the trophy at BYU in an era when the system was so flawed it had to be changed. Couple that with his successful move to the next weight class and I don’t think there’s any question he has outpaced his mentor. LaVelle gets credit for innovation and the one Championship, despite the flaws in the system back then. Fourth would probably be Jack Curtis. After that it’s probably a pick’em between 4-5 coaches.
No Urban?
What about Bronco having a better win percentage with a much, much, much tougher schedule and having to deal with the honor code?
let’s not forget that none of lavell’s teams ever had to bother with the honor code.
Most true statement. Which makes me respect him even more. You can call it hypocrisy if you want let’s just be real if you ain’t cheating you ain’t a good coach. I don’t care what anyone says EVERY great coach is a pathetic cheat on some level until they get caught.
The WAC competition level is a real knock on him though.
Do you want to know why BYU always struggled when they played at Hawaii?
I’ll tell you why, and it makes me respect LaVell as a person even more. LaVell’s philosophy that being in Hawaii was a treat for his players and he realized that many of his players would never have the chance to be in Hawaii again. So, they would have bed checks early while there and the coaches would then go away.
There was an unwritten rule that there would not be any more bed checks the rest of the night and the players were free to go and explore the island. So after 3-4 nights of 2-3 hours of sleep, BYU players were WRECKED for the football games and stuggled there.
Source: Many, many players who played for LaVell.
“Pace, I found your people”
BWhahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Yup, it’s similar to how you ( and other who are not blue goggled zoob supporters) evaluate Kalani Sitake, rational. – which I agree with.
Kwitt is a solid coach. Just not the next step coach.
Hoping this new AD isn’t a status quo guy, and not the ” Hey, Utah is peculiar and we should be happy with what we have” AD.
Way to many of local Utah fans have this weird persecution complex. ” Utah has a different cultcure and it’s really, really cold in the winter”. Have you ever been to F’n Lincoln Nebraska in February?
TIME TO STEP UP!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you think having a team challenge for a PAC12 championship team every 5 to 10 years is the goal….you need to change your goal
This guy is either a huge troll or has no concept of reality.
STEP IT UP.
If Urban was still at Utah he wouldn’t find it acceptable that Utah has not won a PAC12 championship ( let alone a division championship).
Maybe it’s a mormon thing that Utah shouldn’t demand the best….. F’n Boize demands more…
Ok, outline how to do this. What are some REALISTIC things Utah can do to get where you want them to be?
Dude you are a Zoob troll you fit so many stereotypes of Utah fans.
Dude, I’m Catholic ( Three times a year) and haven’t lived in Utah in 25 years.
I will agree with you that I am not your typical Ute Fan. Probably not a lot of my type who went to Utah but look at the program for outside of the bubble.
All I’m saying is don’t short change the potential.
Oh, and by the way I live 45 minutes away from what a lot people believe is the worst city in American ( maybe the world) – Detroit.
Yet this state school that I live 500 yards away from DEMANDS the best. Demands the best in academics and athletics. Sh*tty Detroit suburb and winters that would make Utahns balls fall off. Yet the some of the best athletes from around the country ( including CA and FL) chose this dreary, dead end town….
STEP IT UP
Cool story bro. But we do demand excellence. We just understand that these things take time. Utah doesn’t have the same tradition that meat chicken and meat chicken state have. Patience is a virtue.
I’m glad you like the story.. bro. I hope it helps you understand the possibilities,
I hope it helps you recognize the potential the Ute program has. I always come away come away from reading Utehub/Utefans as fans just happy to be in the Pac12 and being competitive….. bull*hit.
Urban was the first (and last) coach that preached that little o’ll Utah can reach higher
Kwhitt is a good coach, I just wish he’d push himself and his staff to be great.
Unfortunately I predict another 8 win season with a Vegas bowl victory.
I know what the possibilities are. But I know how long it takes to build a program from MWC to PAC-12 level. Arizona and ASU sucked for decades. Whitt is doing things right and he’s not a total douche nozzle like Meyer.
Name me a winning program that didn’t have at least a bit of “douche nozzle” with their coach.
Every competive coach in my neck of the woods is a douche nozzle (depending who you talk to).
kwitt needs to STEP UP and make it happen before he retires…..just not sure he’s that type of coach.
Yeah, I really want a person that protects domestic abusers for years.
Agreed, 16+ NFL prospects in one season and still couldn’t get over the hump.
Nebraska is your comp? We aren’t that behind Nebraska. Nebraska and Colorado are basically surfing off of the 90s just like BYU surfs off the early 80s. Mean reversion is a thing. Utah will revert to the mean someday for a time. Whitt is the reason we are competitive. If you keep banging the coaching change drum, we should review your opinion a few years after Whitt goes. Unless the next one has local ties, he isn’t going to lock up the recruiting as well. And I don’t think anyone in his tree can surpass him. I don’t think he is surpassed in the near future.
I would love nothing more then kwhitt stepping up and saying we need to do better. Urban did and he made it happen.
This is kwhitts last stop. His goal needs to be PAC12 championship or better…. anything less is coasting.
Again, I hope the new AD is on the same page.
what makes you think his goal has ever been anything other than winning the pac12?
And you still haven’t come up with any sort of realistic alternative… Not a single one.
IT’s because we haven’t won at whatever level he feels is sufficient in whatever pipe dream he is having atm.
Kyle has apparently won a national championship at Utah… So I don’t know what you are griping about. How much higher could he possibly get?
I can’t make sense of that board. The waterfall formatt with half sentences hurts my brain.
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The NCAA has officially recognized UCF's 2017 National Championship. Page 115 of their just released 2018 Records Book. No more "so-called" or "self-proclaimed." It really happened. https://t.co/88Y6gokLk9 pic.twitter.com/jr4OZpLP1o
— Brandon Helwig (@UCFSports) August 25, 2018
Ill take it. Kinda fun to be officially recognized. Hang a banner.
Today was the annual pre-season CCAF luncheon featuring coach Whitt at RES. For those that follow the boards and news, not much new was shared. But there were a few bits I gleaned.
Whitt seemed to highlight the Freshmen.
He showed a few video clips of Jack Tuttle’s passing ability. He highlighted the two Freshmen TEs, Kuithe and Fotheringham and showed some clips from them. Had some great clips of Enis and his ability to catch the deep ball. Perriman had a clip or two. Jason Shelly was featured in a clip. He wanted to show a few of the 60+ yard field goals by Matt Gay, but the assistant didn’t include the clips.
He ran through the starting lineups, with no real surprises, but I did pick up a few bits.
Mika Tafua will start at DE with Repp in on situational downs (we know that’s for pass rush).
Covey will be the punt returner.
Hansen and Barton as starters at LB.
The O-line is as expected with Ford and another name i missed (I believe Capra, though he has been banged up) at Left Guard.
Yassmin has been banged up and will likely redshirt to learn and adjust to FB.
Kickoff returners are still being evaluated based upon how teams handle the new kickoff rule. He mentioned that cleanly fielding a fair catch is a key skill given that if you call fair catch at the 5 and catch it you get it at the 25, but if you muff it and fall on it, then the ball is down at the 5.
He mentioned that Tuttle will participate, but were still evaluating how to handle the redshirt. As of now, if Huntley were to come out in the early games, Shelley would come in. That could change as the season progesses and how that plays out.
In any event Kyle, has stated numerous times that redshirts are entirely secondary to getting players in that give you the best chance to win.
Surprised I didn’t see a depth chart come out today. He has been mentioning in interviews that one would be released this week, likely today.
Just a shout out to all of you that take the time to give those of us that live out of the area a synopsis on this stuff. It’s GREATLY appreciated and this board has become my prime source for football info because of the likes of Onlyu, BattleGround, Tony, and hell, even Jim Fassel (he keeps us honest). So THANK YOU and keep the awesome posts coming…
Go Utes!
Who the hell thumbs down this post? I am excited to have a FB return!!!
I was at the luncheon as well. It was awesome having it at RES! Last year was a hotel. The lunch was pretty good. The only thing I would have liked better is the coaches (especially Whitt) to take a little more time talking and answering questions.
It seems like lunch was about an hour and then hearing from Whitt, the volleyball coach and AD Harlan was about 20 minutes.
Overall it was really fun.
How do I get invited to these luncheons. Is it an annual donnation or season ticket levels?
I believe it is just standard crimson club membership. They send an email a couple weeks in advance and then you go to the regular ticket site and order tickets. There is another one in October.
Yes. That is always my feeling. I always come away feeling wanting a bit more. Maybe that is intentional. Other than a game itself though, I am not sure how this could satisfy. More fall camp footage maybe. I go with my dad and it’s a tradition, so I enjoy it.
Like giving you a taste of crack – they need you to come back for more next Thursday!
From what you saw, could the 60 yarders gone for more?
Whitt didn’t show the clips of the kicks. He intended to do so, but the assistant hadn’t included them. He said that Gay had kicked 6 or 7 60+ in fall camp, along with the usual caveat about the risk/reward of long field goal tries and field position if you miss vs. punting an pinning them back.
In one interview Troy Taylor mentioned that the kick he saw could have been true from 70. Who knows. Gay has mentioned in an interview that he has made it from 70 using the stand with no line and no game situation. I see him warm up at half-time kicking beyond the 50. That is my favorite part of half-time. They say his leg is stronger this year. Hopefully he keeps the accuracy he had last year.
I wouldn’t expect to see Gay attempt a 60 yarder unless it happens at the end of the game or the half.
two seats section W11 row 32 seats 28 & 29 being sold with gameday parking pass which is lot 24 this year. Lot 24 is the parking lot for the Women’s softball/track and field complex.
These are my season tickets and I will be out of town Thursday. I’m not looking to make any money on these they are face value for $190 total
**Not trying to be a dick despite most likely coming off that way**
So I understand you buy season tickets and you assign a value of equality among all the tickets. You may view it as paying to watch the Utes play first and foremost. IMO with this season I wouldn’t mind adjusting values to who they are playing. I don’t mind paying more for Washington, USC or hell even Zoob tickets. Even better if you make a zoob pay more money for your tickets. Just the way I view it personally. Which these are great tickets for the price it is still just Weber St*
*Sorry it is the 8th ranked team in their division.
When the university charges me $150 for USC and $65 for Weber State that’s what I’ll sell them for.
I’m not trying to scalp these tickets I just want what I paid for them.
Not trying to screw anybody.
P.S. If I have to sell my SC tickets for any reason I will sell them for $90 each when I could probably get $500 each of its a game for 1st place in the south.
That’s just me.
P.S.S. I’d never sell to a zoob no matter how much they offered
The university charges me for the seat not the opponent. I’ve got the invoice if you want to see I pay $95 a seat weather it’s Weber State or USC
Selling to a “zoob” should revoke season ticket rights.
Yeah, don’t worry about it. Stubhub says your price is about right.
Ok cool I thought I sort of said that in my entire post. Good luck to you.
message me about your usc tix if you can’t use them!
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